MGTOW vs Red Pill?

MuaadDibJihad · 2018-12-31T22:04:52+00:00

Lots of guys come here for PUA advice, and though this ain't it chief, I'm gonna tell you the truth. Women want money. You can lift and do whatever, and women will tell you otherwise up front. But by the end of the day, making honey is the only way to catch flies. Sure you may get a girl and think the sex will continue, but you gotta keep adding quarters over time, or the ride will stop.

DangZagnut · 2018-12-31T22:05:04+00:00

I don't want to become a women hater but there is a lot of (sometimes justified) hate for women here.

Propaganda and framing attempt. This isn't an incel reddit, stop trying to frame it as such. Because some incel posts in here and say they hate women, means nothing to MGTOW, it means that message hasn't been reported and removed.

You have a day old account. This looks like a standard framing BS post.

There is not a lot of anything here lately other than posts about people's dogs and guitars.

Other than that your post is good, good work on improving your life, try masturbating and get your lust out of your system.

KaitouNala · 2018-12-31T22:49:20+00:00

You don't have to be a woman hater to be MGTOW, you don't have to stop fucking to be MGTOW (though nonprofessional arrangements are becoming more of a liability by the minute)

First thing you need to learn is to be happy with yourself as you are now, that doesnt mean you need to drop your goals or "beautiful at any size" by any means, just learn to accept yourself and be able to revel in solitude first.

The red pill/mgtow was a tough pill for me too at first, especially because i came across it on the tail end of seeking help myself, one of my only major goals in life, and perhaps one of the driving factors behind me still being alive to date was the prospect of having a family eventually.

But the realization on how fucked modern gender relations are i realized that i would never be able to marry, this was really really hard to deal with at first.

But having got help i was able to finally get over all my self doubt and 99% of my self deprecation (i still beat myself up when i fuck up however) and now i couldn't be happier.

Honestly its a load off my chest, i don't have to bother to do a bunch of extra shit to impress people i dont give a shit about anymore. I just do stuff for myself.

deathtocontrollers · 2018-12-31T22:03:54+00:00

so maintaining a strong frame

LMAO.

ilikerelish · 2018-12-31T23:55:47+00:00

I would say lifting and keeoping healthy in general is a good thing for anyone, it is nt a red pill, blue pill, MGTOW thing. It is a just do it because it will benefit you no matter what path you walk. I would also say reexamine MGTOW. Hate is not what the ideology is about. Some do vent hatefully here, sure, but it is not the core of MGTOW. MGTOW is the idea that you control your own destiny, and it is solely yours to control, never to be shared. Anyone whom you choose to incorporate is there to benefit or compliment your life or they are gone. Some things that foster that happen to include removing or reducing those things that are detrimental or destrctive to your life. The absolute biggest force of detriment and destruction to a man, and the world for that matter is a woman. Not maliciously necessarily, but by their nature and rheir action. If man's drive is to create order from chaos, then it is woman's role to turn his freshly minted order back to chaos. It's just how the game works. Since men have seen fit for at least a coupe centuries to pedestalize women, and absolve them of any responsibility it has only emboldened their destructive tendencies, while simultaneously penalizing a man or all men such that the legal system and society heavily favor women. As such, if you can control emotion and libido, and allow your logical mind to do its job, you would avoid women entirely. This is not about hatred, it is about self preservation.

This is not a perfect world, and most cant exercise the sexual control I describe. As a result men grapple with the question you pose. How do I protect myself while still sating my sexual and emotional desire. Some find the answer in iron will determination and go monk, others channel that into redpill philosophy, "slaying" as much as possible, others succumb to the blue pill model, and still others go the p&d route. No one can answer what will work best for you. You have to dig deep down and figure that out for yourself. Given what you said, I think p&d is your best bet, but only you can figure that out. I would only offer that if what you are doing contains hate, then it is a perversion of MGTOW. Indifference is zen where women are concerned. When they have no power to affect you positively or negatively, when you feel nothing for them more or less than any man, you will have reached the pinacle of MGTOW. Those are my thoughts on MGTOW anyway.

In regard to red pill methodology; I know that it works for a fact. What I also know is that it is very empty. Yes, you will probably get sex, but at the cost of not acting as yourself, never letting your guard down to relax and becoming a junky to pussy. I believe they are misguised, but if it works for them so be it.

TimeTinker · 2019-01-01T02:04:28+00:00

Lift because you enjoy it, not because you want to impress other people.

glad2besad · 2019-01-01T07:21:08+00:00

http://primalexistence.com/how-women-view-men/

Read this. Seriously read the whole thing.

Title	MGTOW vs Red Pill?
Author	LordFrodo
Upvotes	6
Comments	8
Date	December 31, 2018 9:41 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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