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Saw this gem of a quote yesterday...

idcboutmahkarma · 2019-04-14T17:32:58+00:00

"Being purple pilled is the same thing as being blue pilled while simultaneously knowing you're an idiot"...

idcboutmahkarma

April 14, 2019

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Title	Saw this gem of a quote yesterday...
Author	idcboutmahkarma
Upvotes	24
Comments	11
Date	April 14, 2019 5:32 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/bd56sk/saw_this_gem_of_a_quote_yesterday/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MGTOW/saw-this-gem-of-a-quote-yesterday.482267 https://theredarchive.com/post/482267

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[–]8017354 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]swankvagabond2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Batman_MGTOW0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

No purple pill is different. Most men who are purple pilled have gone through the MGTOW content but are not entirely convinced because they never had a girlfriend or got laid in their life so they are not 100% sure. Purple pill is the doubt that they have, that love might exist and that if they search well enough they can find it. Purple pill is like a red pilled man who believes in NAWALT or who thinks that maybe relationships have value but they dont deny the statistics or most of the knowledge, they just want proof.

Then they either turn to the blue pill by being manipulated by a woman and just forgetting everything or they discover the truth and go MGTOW. Its not a permanent phase, just a transition. Not all men wake up to the truth, most either choose to ignore it or never see it. Purple Pill is like Purgatory while blue pill is hell and red pill is heaven. Not everyone can go to heaven, most live in hell all their lives while some try to get higher but are stuck in the middle for a while, then either fall back down or reach the top. That is the best way I can put it.

[–]MrMagtow0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

[–]Batman_MGTOW0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

PART 1:

Not exactly, you can be in a relationship and still be MGTOW, you just have to never settle down. What we call the plantation is settling down with a woman by marrying her and having children with her. You can be in a relationship without doing any of these things and without being a simp, you just have to find someone that holds the same values, and since love is almost never everlasting, then most of your relationships will be quite short especially if you do not tolerate bullshit. If you can set your boundaries early on and never let any woman go over them, then you will never fail, you will always remain a MGTOW and never risk becoming a simp. In my case, I am a MGTOW but I have no experience with women, never had sex and not even a kiss, and I am 20 years old (nearly 21), what I have realized however is that my best option is to combine some MGTOW knowledge with some incel knowledge, by combining LMS with the 3 golden rules of MGTOW, I can put in the work required to build myself up to become attractive to women, and then I can have my own experiences while following the 3 golden rules, by never settling down. This will allow me to have as many relationships as I want, as many one night stands as I want, and also I will be able to get the most beautiful women available thanks to my good genetics. My goal isnt to become a simp or a PUA, but to obtain some valuable experience so that I can then decide if women are a worthy addition to my life. No matter what people here may say about this, I believe that it is the best way to kill any doubt I may have about women as a whole, if I had experience to backup my knowledge then I would be 100% protected, because the thing is that most men who revert back to the plantation never had enough experiences with women and later in life they grow desperate, this would never happen to me but I am still very curious as to what women could bring to my life and though I do believe much of the MGTOW knowledge, I see a lot of it as being very cynical, and that is what people dont get about MGTOW, it doesnt hate women, it just puts them all in the same box, and there is a huge confusion about AWALT. AWALT doesnt mean that all women are the same, it simply means that all women are women which means that if they do not love you anymore for whatever reason and they have the means necessary, they will ruin your life. Some plan it meticulously very early on and those women are the type of crazy psychos that you need to avoid, and often times they are easy to spot. My point is that there are good and bad women out there, they are not all the same but none of them are worth settling down with because of the risk and because of the major downsides which completely outweigh the benefits, and I knew a bit about that even before discovering MGTOW a while back, MGTOW just confirmed my suspicions but made me more cynical and I have started to let go of that cynicism because I dont think it is very healthy, especially since I have no experience with women.

The thing is that I am a very good judge of character so I can tell apart fake people from real people, I would maybe not go as far as saying that I am a perfect lie detector, but I have difficulty trusting just anyone because of what I went through as a kid, so I am very good at choosing my friends and the people that are close to me, I know who would betray me if given the chance, and I know who wouldnt and would have my back every step of the way. This great power allows me to avoid bad people, never fall into relationships with cheating whores or crazy bitches, and it allows me to pick only good people, basically, to bypass my radar, the woman would have to be a high level Hollywood actress and be really bad. I am not immune to bad things happening but I am good at avoiding the trouble and preventing it from finding me. Also, what would make me date a girl isnt just her appearance, it is the way she talks, if I dont like her personality or the way she behaves, I will not be interested, the only women that I am attracted to are those that are beautiful and at the same time are also kind, and these are rare to come by. Some would wonder how I can do this, how can I think with my brain instead of my penis and this is because I have tamed the lizard brain, with regular masturbation and porn I have managed to prevent myself from becoming a thirsty beta, and even though I dont get a lot of female attention right now, my standards are still high because I am aware of the risks. I dont believe that there is a unicorn out there for me, what I believe is that there are nice women out there for me to date and get attached to but never settle down with.

[–]Batman_MGTOW0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

PART 2:

I think that there are many MGTOW who would want to do what I am trying to do but because the community tells them not to and shames them against such actions, so guys either follow the MGTOW monk lifestyle or they pump and dump or they revert back to the plantation, and get screwed over. But it doesnt have to be that way, there is a middle ground somewhere, and though it is not meant for everyone, it can be perfect for guys like me who strongly desire those experiences because they never had them. In my case, it is not desperation but rather curiosity, I have lived my life alone for a long time even as a kid and life got boring so I am trying to make a small change in my life if I can find a woman that is worthy of me. Also, not all relationships have the men getting cucked, it is possible to have an equal relationship where both parties invest in equal parts in each other, and the women who refuse to do so, who are entitled, they do not represent the majority, those women instead send you many red flags telling you to stay the hell away from them. I have seen many stories by MGTOW who were never married but went their own way after they only had bad experiences, and while some may blame the guys for attracting these women, I think the problem is that guys are not good at spotting those red flags, they stay in bad relationships for too long and get screwed over. Also, not all women are super manipulative even though the shit tests are real, but shit tests are easy to pass, the great thing with women is that instead of having to invest time and effort to make them more attracted to you, you have to do the opposite so its quite simple really. If a girl doesnt text you back, you just need to ghost her, if she tells you an excuse for not wanting to go out for drinks or for not wanting to have sex with you, you can tell her goodbye, if she does anything else like that, you just always withdraw your attention. And if she liked you, then she will love you for it, and if she doesnt respond then it means that she was never interested in you and was only stringing you along to get another beta orbiter. Women are not really that hard to understand, and their games are not hard to win, they are rather simple and require you being lazy and putting in minimum effort. Guys often complain about this but what if we had to do the opposite? It would be even worse because we would actually need to put in a lot of effort for just one girl. But now thanks to the way women are, we can be lazy with many women at the same time and have them do all the effort to win you over, that is how you win with women.

Also, not all women are after your money or trying to make you their bitch. As for marriage, the reasons why it doesnt work are because of the gynocentric laws which give women too much power and because relationships are not meant to last because love is not everlasting. I always facepalm when guys say dumb shit like, "You can either love women or understand them", because it is complete bullshit, it is not true that women dont love us, they do love us but only when we act a certain way, and when we are a certain way, you dont even need to be rich or a model to get women, you just need to have a life which means having a job and taking care of your appearance and having a few friends and an active lifestyle, as for hypergamy, it is very true but it has its limits, a nice woman in love with a certain man will not cheat on him unless he tries to win her over, but normally hot guys dont go for ugly women so that rarely ever happens. As for the times where a girl will cheat her NFL boyfriend's NFL teammate, it is different, because women who go for high status men because of their status, are more hypergamous than those who dont. Ever wonder what would happen if a woman didnt know a man was a celebrity and only found out after falling in love with that man? My theory is that she would not be trying to shoot even higher than him, she would just find it a nice surprise, my point being that not all women are gold diggers, not all women chase successful men, not all women are cheating whores who always go for the better guy and that is mainly because relationships form a much deeper bond than most guys realize and the reason why they dont know this is because they never had that kind of relationship, they never had a woman fall in love with them, the closest they had was a woman faking that love. You dont have to hear her say she loves you, her words are not what count, only her actions, if guys were as good as me to judge people and size them up, they would sense when a woman is lying, they would see if she really loves him. The reason why I never had a girlfriend is because I was a NEET for a very long time (nearly 4 years) and now I finally got a decent paying job and I am back in school to get a degree in electrical engineering and I am training hard at the gym to get as muscular as possible naturally. I dont think we have to limit ourselves to being alone but I respect the men who went through a tough divorce and choose to go their own way, I just think that many young men are missing out on something they wish they could have just because some old divorced guy told them it was not worth it and they listened to him and regret it later in life, wishing they had done it differently. But who knows? Maybe in 5-10 years, I will say that I was wrong but maybe it will be the opposite, what I learned is that I cant follow other people's wishes, I have to forge my own path whatever that may be and go after my desires, not what some community recommends, even though I do support MGTOW as a whole.

[–]MrMagtow-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't think you actually really understand the game. Women (and men) have a biological imperative to breed which dictates their overall behavior - and you repeatedly project your male thinking onto women, anthropomorphizing them and their actions. (yes, I know what the word means but I intentionally use it to imply they are all NPCs)

In all my years, I went from opinions like yours, to being told before I got married by every married man I knew "Don't Get Married", thinking I had a unicorn, to divorced. Women are AWALT totally and completely.

Your only benefit these days, thanks to the Internet, is that men are finally starting to share their knowledge and experiences where we cannot be shamed or have to hold back because we're not in a garage drinking beer together and don't want to come off as a fringe lunatic due to societal pressures to conform.

Read everything on the side-bar, twice. At least for you, if you can learn from other's mistakes, maybe yours won't be another horror story like many here. In fact, read everything twice - because it will take a while to sink in.

[–]Batman_MGTOW0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Again, you are proving my point. This community is very dogmatic, it pretends to be going its own way, but really it isn't, because if men were really going their own way, they wouldn't make cynical posts while cherry picking the worst posts they can find to represent all women as evil monsters. I never understood it before but now I see, MGTOW, especially the reddit community, is dehumanizing women, and though I agree with many of its points, I disagree on many of them too, like the fact that all women are sluts or that all women are disloyal or seeking to manipulate, dominate and destroy you. Women as a whole don't enter relationships for your money, and you would know it if you stopped paying for everything like a simp, and by you I mean guys as a whole, not you. Also, I have been in the MGTOW community for a very long time, what I am talking about is still the MGTOW lifestyle, it's just not supported by this dogmatic community because everyone here mocks and shames guys who want to improve themselves to find a good relationship and share their life with someone, not everyone wants to be alone, and in this case, it's not a question of need, but rather a want, a desire, I don't need women, but I do want women in my life because I want the experience that I lack. And right now, everything is getting better, I finally got a good job that pays well for a guy with no college degree, and I am looksmaxxing by training hard at the gym 3 times per week, in only 6 months, I will finally look like I lift and have a physique that resembles Bruce Lee, and then, 2 years later, I will look like those superheroes that you see on the big screen and I will be very strong too, I am doing this for myself because it makes me feel powerful, strong, happy and satisfied but also because it will make me into the ultimate Chad, at that point, sex will be extremely easy to get on Tinder and I will be able to try out relationships if I want to, just out of curiosity.

Also, you are making false assumptions about me, I don't believe in NAWALT, I know that no matter how good a woman is, settling down is a very bad idea because it gives her too much power and the risk is too great for such a small reward that it isn't worth doing. So I will never cohabitate with a woman, I will never have children and I will never get married. As long as I follow this, I am still a MGTOW, even if I enter a relationship.

What is sad is that guys don't realize that we are men, not boys. We take risks to go after what we want and achieve great things, we don't allow women to disrespect us and we show it to them through our actions, not our words. Do you really think young attractive women give a fuck about MGTOW? They really don't. It's only the ones that are post wall that are complaining because they don't have a simp to take advantage of. People constantly accuse MGTOW of misogyny, but MGTOW is not misogynist, it is cynical, it puts everyone in the same box, in other words, if you don't follow the perfect set of rules, MGTOW will call you a cuck, a blue pilled man, a simp, a nice guy or a beta male, just because I want to enter a relationship, people dare to say that I am not a real MGTOW. The truth is however that MGTOW is not a cult, it is not a certain set of rules, it is just synonym for freedom, for choosing your own path. The only reason why you can't settle down and be MGTOW is because your wife and children would prevent you from going your own way and just living with a woman would prevent you from walking away when she disrespects you.

MGTOW bash on relationships because they don't know how to manage them, they don't know that women respond well to authority, that they need to be ruled whether they like it or not, and it's very easy to do so in fact, it is all a matter of attention. If I am dating a woman and she treats me poorly, I will stop responding to her texts and calls and I will stop interacting with her, I will ghost her for a few days and then she will be on her knees begging for me to come back, that is not being an asshole by the way, it is how you treat women to make them respect you, you have to show her that you will not tolerate her bullshit, but if you walk away and completely dump her, then you are the loser because you are just giving up, she will feel sad but eventually find another guy to replace you, so you're not winning anything here. Also, I have nothing against guys who went through a divorce or many and just want to live the rest of their life alone, I understand them, the only thing that I was criticizing is the dogma that is being thrown on young guys who are just getting into MGTOW, everyone tells them to ignore their sexual desires, ignore their desire for human connection, female affection and love and just go their own way and be a loner, but not everyone wants that lifestyle.

That is what I was criticizing, I never said that marriage was a good option, you are just twisting my words here, read my comments again if you don't believe me, you clearly misread them. My plan isn't to looksmax only to get married to a NAWALT and then lose everything, like I said, I am still a MGTOW, the difference is that I am still willing to date and there is nothing wrong with that as long as I maintain my freedom, because Freedom=MGTOW.

What I was also talking about is how most guys here talk about terrible relationships, but those are not the norm unless you are a weak beta male simp. Like I said, women respond best to punishment through ghosting them, they cannot be reasoned with just by talking to them and they cannot just calm down on their own, and ignoring them will do nothing good. If you have a girlfriend but you never tolerate her useless drama and ghost her every time she acts out, then you will rule over her without abusing her, you will give her what she craves and she will love you for it, but of course if you just treat her like an equal all the time and tolerate all the shit tests, then she is going to make you her bitch and then leave you for a real man. I am also not saying to use game on women, this isn't PUA crap, it's the truth, women crave our attention, we can use that to our advantage to make them go crazy for us by making them beg for it, and once they are in that submissive state, they are so vulnerable that we can just lead them very easily, every time you walk away, she feels powerless, MGTOW is great for that concept. The problem is that guys think that we should just call it quits, they don't realize that if they just leave and then let her come back, that she will never want to leave them. It is only if she cheats on you that you must dump her for real. Also, you must not ghost her every time there is a disagreement but only when she isn't acting logical, when the fights are just a shit test, that is when you must act and pass it. I know everything about MGTOW, and unlike most guys here, I am not brainwashed, I don't just blindly follow others like a sheep, I am a free thinker and I go after what I want, not what other people tell me I need, I do a cost benefit analysis in everything that I do and then I take the steps required to achieve my goals, most guys here don't have that ability. Like I said, I learned from others' mistakes, I won't stay in toxic relationships, I won't let women lead me and control my life but instead I will make them chase me and beg for my attention, I will be the one with all the power, not them, so I have nothing to lose. As for all those false rape accusations, they are exaggerated statistics and come from girls who are batshit insane, and you can usually tell the first time you meet them that they are crazy, if you are wise enough not to get involved with crazy bitches, you will never get falsely accused of rape, that is an undeniable fact.

[–]MrMagtow0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]Batman_MGTOW0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont think you understand. A life of nihilism that doesnt include any goals but just hedonism is not fulfilling at all. I am young, I am 20 years old, almost 21. My goal isnt to have fun and party all through my 20s and then get married at 30 and live a terrible life until I die. But I do want to have fun right now, I want to max out my LMS through tough weightlifting for my looks, expensive stylish clothes (like Armani) for my money score, and maybe doing some modelling and building connections at work for my social status. Its not that I am desperate for female attention, I am not a simp or nice guy because I know better but I need to get laid at least a couple of times because its very hard for me to get off on my own without fucked up fantasies. I used porn for so long since I was 16 years old and then I got very embarassing fantasies that degrade men and that is because I dont get turned on looking at some random male pornstar fucking a hot girl that I would want. Jerking off to porn is basically like cucking yourself which wouldnt be so bad if you were bored of sex also but when you have zero experience with women, I feel like something has to be done. Sometimes I get a bit nervous around some women, not nearly as much as before but it still happens.

And that is why I need to get laid as soon as possible and I need to have a few relationships, I am not denying MGTOW however but I need those experiences. I have done a lot in my childhood, I have tasted all the best food, visited nearly all the best places in the world, had lots of fun and did most of the good stuff, women are the only unexplored land for me, its new and though I have a lot of theoretical knowledge I have no real experience so I really need this, then I will have done most of the good stuff on this Earth.

I started a tinder profile around 21 hours ago and I got zero matches and between 3 and 10 girls who swiped right, which isnt much, most of them were probably fat and/or ugly. If I had better pictures, and if my LMS was better, I would get tons of matches really easily.

You guys keep saying that women are a waste of time but what is there to do really? Just play video games, watch anime, movies and tv shows and do hobbies? I tried and though I can enjoy myself, I want something more. I know what you are saying about women but I dont care, because I am not a simp, I would never let women manipulate me the way you guys speak of because I know all their tricks. And I am not improving my LMS for attention or approval but only to get sex easily so I dont have to jerk off to porn for the rest of my life. Whats really wrong with wanting more out of life than solitude? Not everyone has to be the same, people can go through their own experiences and learn from them and make their own opinions instead of following mgtow theory. As long as the 3 golden rules are followed and you are not a simp or nice guy, there is no risk.