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The gender that got us kicked out of Eden

nk925

September 22, 2018

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Title	The gender that got us kicked out of Eden
Author	nk925
Upvotes	106
Comments	23
Date	September 22, 2018 2:10 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/9hzxw6/the_gender_that_got_us_kicked_out_of_eden/
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[–]Should-I-Leave-Him11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Hollow_Soul_10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

[–]CursingWhileNursing0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but the thing is that Adam and Eve did not know how to tell "right" from "wrong" before eating that damn fruit.

Which is why the whole "Fall of Man" and "original sin" narrative is complete bullshit anyway.

God creates humans who do not know how to tell right from wrong
God decides that the only way to actually gain that ability and thus becoming able to understand that, let's say eating a certain fruit is wrong, is by doing something that is wrong (by his arbitrary and unnecessary decision), namely eating that apple.
God is tempting Adam and Eve with showing them the apple each and every day. And worsens the conditions by giving them two poor apes an insatiable curiosity.
God is allowing the snake into his turf and allows it to tempt Adam and Eve.
Then punishes Adam and Eve after they were able to understand that what they have just done was wrong, because of an arbitrary and utterly unnecessary decision God made.

Yup, makes sense.

[–]kinr510002 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]bluescape1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]kinr510000 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]CursingWhileNursing0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, that story is even better. Not just because god allows such immense suffering simply because of a bet. But because it tells one or two interesting lessons about how god seems to think about us apes.

First of all, everyone suffers. Satan first destroys Jobs crops and cattle. Well, why not. Then god allows him to make all the people working for Job suffer immensely and then die. Then god watches Jobs children suffer immensely and die. And then Jobs wife suffers immensely and dies, while god watches.

So I am pretty sure a lot of people have suffered a lot more than Job did. Because they had to watch all their loved ones suffer immensely and die, which is causing suffering itself and then they suffer and die themselfes. All, but Job, of course.

And then Job gets rewarded. He gets new crops and cattle and hey, new employees too! He even gets a new wife and new children, because apparently god seems to think us humans are just as interchangeable for each other as we seem to be for god.

Oooh, did I just initiate a stupid bet that killed your wife and children? Have a new one, ape and now shut up.

And what exactly did all those killed people get as reward? Hey, they get the reward of still being dead as a dodo and there is a good chance they are in hell as well, suffering immensely, just without end this time. Because god loves them.

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[–]saikon_14850 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]CursingWhileNursing0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope.

First of all, why would they have not been able to get children without sin? This notion sounds... stupid, considering that if god actually wanted them to be able to do so, it would just happen. Also, I don't remember the bible saying anything like that.

And the tempting object was the apple. Which was there, right in front of their noses. So god gives them this insatiable curiosity, then confronts them with an object and a set of rules that is bound to trigger that curiosity, while actually denying them the abilty to tell right from wrong; because this ability came with eating the apple and then allows that snake into his garden.

Paradise is gods turf, he is all-knowing and all-seeing and omnipotent. Do you want to tell me that god would have allowed that serpent into his garden if he did not want it exactly there?

God never made Adam or Eve eat the apple, it was THEIR CHOICE.

Sure. And they DID NOT KNOW their choise was wrong. It's almost like someone is telling you that learning to swim by drowning is actually an idea that makes sense.

I think that's the lesson.

No, the lesson is that god is not able to come up with a decent concept that does not require suffering and then blames everyone and everything but himself.

Oh ya, there is no original sin.

Bullshit. I am under the strong suspicion you are one of those christians who have never actually read the bible. I will just tell you that the fact alone that it is also called "ancestral sin" proves you wrong here and then let's have look at what the Encyclopaedia Britannica has to say about this, shall we?

Original sin, in Christian doctrine, the condition or state of sin into which each human being is born; also, the origin (i.e., the cause, or source) of this state. Traditionally, the origin has been ascribed to the sin of the first man, Adam, who disobeyed God in eating the forbidden fruit (of knowledge of good and evil) and, in consequence, transmitted his sin and guilt by heredity to his descendants.

So much for "not being held accountable". I mean, you are aware that the whole "Jesus died for your sins" deal and the whole "you need to accept Jesus in order to be saved" narrative revolves solely around the fact that we are born tainted by sin? That we are basically born broken and can only be fixed by someone pouring water over our heads and us uttering the words "I believe in Jesus as my saviour."? You are aware that at least until Jesus died even dead babies were send to hell or at least into limbo?

Go and read the bible. Actually, this time.

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