I started watching MGTOW vidoes after seeing it mentioned on a forum somewhere. With spare time on my hands I looked it up and the philosophy was pretty eye opening in terms of troubles I'd had with women and understanding situations in the past. I was very nice to women and treated them in a respectful friendly manner, but was subject to getting walked over and at times being used. I was watching a lot of Sandman, Sunrise Hoodie and Howard Dare. I found myself looking at women and relationships differently, it filled me with as much anger as there was a sense of relief and freedom. This was about 6 months ago and for 3 - 4 months I was watching them non-stop daily. At the time I really agreed with the notion of the majority of women taking advantage of men, abusing them and men being raised with this caretaker sensibility catering to every woman's whim. However, I did still believe not all women were like that and in relationships. I lived in CA at the time and a month later moved to WA. Here is where things take a turn.
3 months into watching the videos daily I began to notice a trend, both in comments and video content. Women are the problem, Men should not have kids or marry because it's male slavery, Women only talk to me because they want something from me, I had ___ (insert 1 - 5 relationships in a short time span) so now I decide all women are bad (does not specify area or any information), The only relationship is pump and dump, Any man who desires a relationship or children is a ___ (Simp, cuck, etc.) yet contradictory when men having surrogate children is mentioned, Women have "Never" contributed anything or are good in ____,
The list continues, but from what I saw all centered around a central theme, subjective information toted as fact. The notion of cutting all contact with half the population existing on earth because of few bad eggs or relationships is ludicrous. Let me clarify, I come from a family of PSY majors and if I learned anything from them, it's that everyone is different and needs to be taken in a case by case basis; their actions and habits thus displaying who they really are. I tested this mentality out in real life having moved to WA where people are generally nicer and more down to earth compared to the aggressive shallow environment of CA (LA mostly, SF to a lesser extent). I reduced talking to women to a minimum, preferring interaction or services of men. What I found was it not only made it harder to do basic tasks (shopping, bank visits, calls for inquiry), but made absolute no sense. Why am I acting this way to this nice lady who I know nothing about because a few women in my past from a completely different state? Why would I think of men who try to get with women as ___ (insert the usual insults) or prevent myself from meeting potentially lifelong and mutually beneficial relationships be romantic or not? I continued to listen, but slowly tapered it off and began deep thought on what made sense and what didn't. I came down to a new understanding that is neither Red Pill or Blue Pill from what I can gather.
From MGTOW/Red Pill I adopted the idea of focusing on better health, career and not stressing over the idea of being single; to be happy being single and be the best person you can. Next is understanding how to spot red flags when talking to women, red flags that present themselves rather than assumptions. However, just about everything else they promote, (misogyny, prejudice, abandon of female contact or relationships sometimes in place of sex dolls due to the pump and dump concept, discredit of any achievements by women in history) I either don't agree with or think it's ludicrous. Most of the negatives can be applied to both genders and I think the way people act towards each other is deeper than X or Y chromosomes. Factors such as mental health, stress from economy or overcrowded areas, background and social norms to name a few. With that said and some MGTOW/Red Pill concepts internalized I have come to an understanding that I will not treat women badly or discredit their achievements without first knowing them, yet I will stand my ground and not be manipulated/treated badly by any person who so chooses to. If a relationship forms with someone I feel comfortable with I will pursue it, but by no means will I play games or go through shit tests to prove otherwise; the test is establishing trust, communication and commitment in stressful times. I want to have children, and reading Ian Mucklejohn's story is pretty inspiring if it ever comes to that having been raised by my father. I think some of the concepts revolving around self-reliance and being the best you can be without your life revolving around relationships is beneficial to young men, especially today. However, just about everything else is counter productive to anyone who wants to make a living or just live happily in most environments.
[–]8017357 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Good for him. MGTOW is NOT for everybody, I'd actually dare say it's not for MOST males. Bon voyage, theme57.
[–]strongandhappy6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Cause he watched videos for 4 months but somehow never understood them. Maybe life will help him understand.
[–]DangZagnut4 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
As always /u/theme57 and others like xim is the type that either doesn't understand MGTOW, like all the other propagandists, or just outright lies about it.
Do these people know PUA and TRP and MGTOW and Incel and MRA and all that have nothing to do with each other?
Do these people know MGTOW is a lifestyle choice, by those who wish to live a lifestyle different than others? And the others have requisite belief requirements?
Fallacies that people like this claim are like the below.
MGTOW hates women. This only works when they do Trp/MGTOW or Incel/MGTOW or PUA/MGTOW in their pathetic attempts to link the concepts together.
MGTOW can't get sex.
MGTOW is cope.
MGTOW want to live in the woods.
MGTOW hate all women and all refuse to talk to them for any reason at any time.
MGTOW don't have sex.
MGTOW can't have sex and are all virgins.
Hey moron, you weren't MGTOWing right.
Go Your Own Way.
Do you know what that means? It means you define what you want jackass.
Want to fuck whores? Fuck whores. What to avoid women and live in the woods? Do that. What to date chicks for awhile until the relationship goes bad? Want to travel the world? Pay taxes, not pay taxes, overpay taxes, donate all your money to charity? Have kids, don't have kids, adopt kids, whatever.
Do whatever you want. The only recommendations that seem to be commonly held, is don't do what all the rest of the rats in the maze do. Don't get married just because everyone else does. Don't be a simp in relationships if you choose to have them. Don't do illegal things and have your freedom taken away and go to jail. If you're going into relationships, know what the fuck you're doing and be aware of the realities of biology, society, culture, and legality.
And that is just my personal opinion.
It's fucking lifestyle you morons. PUA is unrelated to it. It's about being a dork and worshipping women as objects. TRP is just the opposite of putting women on pedestals, which is just sexism by the way. Incels are too ugly to get laid in traditional ways. What you claim is misogyny is just treating women like women treat men, equal in that they suck just as bad as men, but no no, we can't offend precious women and white knights that women aren't some magical creature on a pedestal, we just drag them down to our level, us filthy, feral, pigs that women treat men as, despite their own shortcomings that no one is allowed to talk about or princess will be offended.
Get the hint?
Women suck just as bad as men. But you can't talk about it? It causes you physical and psychic pain, so you'll go on worshipping them and never see them as human beings.
MGTOW is the least sexist. Feminists and supremacists? Man haters? Hold women supreme. The world feels that way, hence, gynocentrism. White knights? Worship pussy and elevate it to magical level. Blue pills? Live in a fantasy 1950s world like the feminists.
Whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you, what you do with that information is up to you. It's just a lifestyle with the information at hand as presented. Agree or disagree with whatever you want. If it's not for you, well, you'll do just fine like all the others who cannot stand freedom, and are ruled by their penis.
If you want to disagree with these so-called misogynists, which none of you idiots can't ever define, as it's just as meaningless as "racist", then disagree with them. Do whatever you want.
But don't criticize other's lifestyle choices because they make you scared, feel itchy, or have to lie about what MGTOW is. You basically hate people who simply don't want relationships or your bullshit blue pill worship of women like a simp.
But you do you. You worship women all you want. I sincerely hope it works out for you. Chances are it won't, and you'll end up just another rat in the maze, dreaming of a life you never had a chance of because you simply were unwilling to believe that others don't think like you.
[–]theme570 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for taking the time to write this.
[–]crityouallday2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Some chose to lead their own lives and make decisions others may want their lives chosen for them and will endure abuse and lies as the truth even tho they have seen through it all they prefer their not so green grass.
[–]Lord_Teapot1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
his thirst for pussy got the best of him, poor bastard.
[–]MenGoingTOWin0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This is probably a larp.
[–]MenGoingTOWin0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Anyway, why are you searching out ex red pill larping bullshit?
Are you questioning your decision to be free? Want to talk about it?
[–]Ohboohoolittlegirl0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It's hard to realize AWALT, if you don't experienced it yourself and are told that women are princesses. Can't blame a Beta-like personality for not being able to deduce AWALT. The problem is that he is unwilling to learn from other people's mistakes and figures he knows better than those who DO have experience
[–]ProclaimTheRepublic0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I think the core point that everyone misses: Going your own way is precisely what it says it is. Rely on yourself, don't predicate your self worth on someone else, and don't just do what everyone says you should do (get married and have kids) just because society says so.
The issue is people conflating this sub with /r/Braincels.
[–]playingpoodles0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
MGTOW is kinda a myth because of men's inability to bear their own children. Plus men aren't as good to each other as women are to each other, and this isn't something new it's always been like this. In other words, men need women more than they need us in today's Western world - where government policies protect a woman from consequences of having a child fathered by a bad man or screwing-over a reasonable-to-good man - ie. she won't be homeless and hungry as she would have been in a previous era. We need to accept this as a reality even if we know extremely lopsided gender relations are destructive, unjust and ought to change. In other words, we need to get our personal lives in order first, and doing that means understanding the legal, political and social reality as it is today in the West and its implications.
I think the idea of being happy being single man without close contact with at least one biological child is delusional. I'm not sure it's even better than having a kid with a typical Western woman, by which I mean a promiscuous woman with a low threshold for leaving a relationship, even with common children, and a history since birth in which she's been told 1. she's a victim of 'oppressive' men and 2. and therefore despite getting lots of special treatment (quotas for seats in parliament and boards of directors etc, custody when the relationship inevitably sours etc. she feels short-changed and hard done by.
Shit tests by each gender on the other are an intrinsic inescapable part of human mate selection. Everyone male and female will be shit tested by their mate, make sure you pass - I'm not sure if it's 'typical' but I am sure it's 'very common' that Western woman will repeatedly shit test whoever is their mate for the rest of his life. You don't have the strength of background to deal with this, neither do I or most other men, a minority of men do. A bad relationship with a bad woman inevitably leading to end of relationship handled intelligently and with planning by a man I think probably is better than childlessness/singleness combo. You just need so much self-control and restraint when you're being antagonised all the time by this ex - not something I have endured, or frankly could endure - I'd lose my temper and retaliate verbally, and then it'd be punishment time for me.
Is surrogacy better than this? I'd say so, if you have a spare say $80K to get it done in Laos or Kenya, and if you prepare for doing this pissing off lots of women who will want to get you - ie. prepare to fly under the radar and stay out of the public eye until your kid has grown up. A reliable or trustworthy mother in this situation would pretty much guarantee you a good outcome if you got her onboard, it'd be harder if mum's a bitch I suppose. Be prepared for people to want to take away your happiness, which I think means socially just completely cutting off from threats before you even go ahead.
If you did this be careful of having a relationship with a woman after you've got the kid - she knows she could upset your applecart with YOUR OWN, ie. your child not in common with her, by making false allegations against you, and plenty of woman will do that if you piss them off. Once your kids a teen it's a non-starter as your teen won't really be able to be corraled or manipulated into agreeing with fabricated allegations against you originating from a woman you've fucked then pissed off. Once your kid's a teen you'll be untouchable and set.