Why trust the Bible? (Why the Bible isn't a Fairy Tale as Atheist Religious believers say.) | Zacharias Trust

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There we go with the delusional argument. You left church because you're a coward and you didn't like being called to task for your failures as a Christian. It's pretty pathetic that you blame God for your failures as a Christian and as a man.

No, I didn't preach the Bible. I posted an article showing how historically accurate it is and how well verified it is. You came into this thread for the sole purpose of shitting on it. That means you caused the problem. You didn't have to come in here and you didn't have to post up your bullshit. I called you on it. If you don't like it then get out of my thread!

I'd kick you out of my church after detailing all of your sins in front of my congregation. I'd then get you to repent for your sins against a man of God.

I rebuke you for your Godlessness and you causing disharmony. I rebuke you for trying to cause God's loyal servants to stumble. Now get out of my thread.

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Christianity implores people to breed.

No, it implores people to serve God. Yeshua Im'manu'el states that men should seek to be like eunuchs and serve God while ignoring the world. He was reiterating the teachings of the Nazarite vow from Numbers chapter 6. You then had Paul (Tzuar) repeat the teaching in one of his epistles.

Your ideology is just dogshit. It's sad that you'll never live beyond your death to see how there is no Heaven.

You're absolutely and tragically wasting your life is all I'm saying. Give up this childish nonsense already.

Yes you are being childish. Yes, you are wasting your life. Yes, you can't debate the facts of historical documentation, so you lash out and attack people. Only people that are insecure in their beliefs lash out and attack in a childish manner.

Why are you scared of being wrong?

Why the hatred of an imaginary being that you don't believe in? Oh, you believe he's real which is why you hate him. You know deep down that I'm right and it makes you afraid to think that you'll have to face him on judgment day.

The door is that way. Leave and don't let it hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.

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You sound mentally unstable.

If you were saying all this about a potato monster in the clouds, everyone would call you insane. But because you're saying these things about an equally unproven Christian God, you're given a social license to do so................well, fuck that. You're an idiot.

I'm not debating any of this anymore. You've been brainwashed and are incapable of seeing it. Actually, I think deep down you know God isn't real.

One last question - what, if anything, could be told to you or shown to you, that would make you become an Atheist, or non-Christian at the very least? Any counter-evidence at all? I mean, you already don't understand evolution, so that route is closed to you - but anything else?

I could possibly come to believe that some kind of God exists given the right types of evidence, are you able to do the same thing in reverse?

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Accuse others of what you, yourself, are guilty of.

Yes, you are mentally unstable.

Bye, don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

One last question - what, if anything, could be told to you or shown to you, that would make you become an Atheist, or non-Christian at the very least? Any counter-evidence at all? I mean, you already don't understand evolution, so that route is closed to you - but anything else?

Nothing because atheists all act like 5 year old children throwing their toys from the pram like you just did. Why would I want to join a bunch of mentally unstable freaks that can't even create a new argument using facts and no logical fallacies? This is why Dawkins, Hitchens, and Hawking refuse to debate Christians because they've lost every single debate in an audience poll.

I can readily prove that God exists through the use of Psalms 19, mathematics, DNA, astronomy, and other sciences. Atheism relies upon the outright rejection of historical documentation and is based upon pseudoscience called evilution. Now why would I want to believe in a fake science when I have the real one on my side?

Oh don't lie about being open to believing about God. You do believe in God which is why you responded the way you have in this thread. You want to deny it, but you can't. It has you shaken to your core.

Where do you get your morality? Do you think that crimes like murder, rape, child molestation, etc... are moral or immoral? I ask because all atheists believe that man are nothing more then animals and animals have no regard for morality as evidenced by the laws of nature.

Psalms 53

1 For the music director: on Mahalath, a contemplative song of David.

2 The fool says in his heart:

“There is no God.”

They are corrupt, commit vile injustice.

There is no one who does good.

3 God looks down from the heavens

on the children of men,

to see if anyone understands,

who seeks after God.

4 All have turned aside—

together they have become corrupt.

There is no one who does good—

no, not even one!

5 Will the evildoers never learn?

They consume My people as they would eat bread,

and never call upon God.

6 There they are in great dread—

where there is nothing to fear.

For God has scattered the bones of those besieging you.

You have put them to shame,

for God has rejected them.

7 Who will give salvation for Israel out of Zion?

When God restores His captive people,

let Jacob rejoice, let Israel be glad!

Proof that atheism was described in roughly 1,000 BC by King Dawid of Israel. He nailed atheists pretty well and understood their behavior to a T. Thanks to the wisdom of God showing the way.

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Morality? Do Christians not kill, do they not rape, do they not commit any other "sin" known to man. Where there some correlation between religion and morality one would think the pious would be above it all.

Morality does not come from religion. It is the product of enculturation, indoctrination, empathy, or some combination of the three. There are tribes in the world who have no idea or concept of the gods we have all learned about, and yet they have similar "fair play" values that we do in the developed world. I would expound on my views, but I get the sense you aren't interested in intellectual discourse.

I will say this though, I have far greater respect for the atheist who adheres to his moral code out of choice than the religious that only do so out of fear.

This is not an indictment of your character, or your religion, it is merely my feeling on the matter. Full disclosure I am an athiest. I have read the christian bible (many years ago). I see the value that the religion once had, and the value in some of the lessons contained in the bible. That said, I believe it to be a work of fiction, perhaps given a religious context so as to dupe those that the religion sought to control into giving it greater credence.

If you need your sky father to guide your way, by all means go for it. Please don't shit on the rest of us who don't need him.

I'd also like to know what this has to do with MGTOW. Seriously, what does this have to do with the philosophy that is the basis of this sub? Not even thinking about the rules, just the point and motive. I suppose I could go off on a diatribe of the value of daytime kids cartoons, but I won't cause there is a place for that, and that place is not here.

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Morality is a very complex thing for us non-believers. And we're still trying to figure it out - we're making progress, unlike religion, which is set in ancient stone and can't ever change. That is better than adopting an ancient story book approach and calling everyone who disputes that book "childish".

You're just incredibly brainwashed and it's genuinely sad you can't see it. You're a smart person, and it's overwhelmingly likely that you'll one day come to your senses, and tragically that'll be too late to do anything about it. You'll be old and finally realize you were wrong all along - that is such a waste of intellect and life.

What if I was not an atheist but a muslim or Buddhist and asked you the same question regarding changing your beliefs? I won't let you dodge the question, twat. Answer it! NOW!

And you CANNOT "prove" God with maths and DNA, that makes no sense! ffs. At no point in the Bible is DNA or methods of proving God's existence in there...................at all! It's all just mythical stories.

there is "evidence" for the existence of Middle Earth Gods in the Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion - so why don't you believe those as well? Is it just the age of the books? If so, why?

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Morality is a very complex thing for us non-believers. And we're still trying to figure it out - we're making progress, unlike religion, which is set in ancient stone and can't ever change. That is better than adopting an ancient story book approach and calling everyone who disputes that book "childish".

So you can't answer the question or you just refuse to. My morality says that robbing, stealing, murdering, molesting, raping, and other crimes are evil and a sin. Do you not agree with this?

You're just incredibly brainwashed and it's genuinely sad you can't see it. You're a smart person, and it's overwhelmingly likely that you'll one day come to your senses, and tragically that'll be too late to do anything about it. You'll be old and finally realize you were wrong all along - that is such a waste of intellect and life.

Accuse others of what you, yourself, are guilty of.

You can't refute my statement, so you attack the person. Remember when I said that atheists can't help themselves from committing logical fallacies? You just committed one and it's an ad hominem logical fallacy. Since you committed a logical fallacy you cannot claim the moral high ground.

What if I was not an atheist but a muslim or Buddhist and asked you the same question regarding changing your beliefs? I won't let you dodge the question, twat. Answer it! NOW!

Since you called me a twat I will be disinclined to answer your question. If you want people to talk to you and treat you with respect then you must give it. Otherwise, you are the very thing you accused me of. You are a twat and you won't get any answers from me by acting like a twat and a cuntah.

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I don't believe that I was too harsh in my reply on morality. I am late to the party, so I will let you read and digest it. If you feel bullied or intimidated by my words, my most sincere apologies. Some atheists feel that they have to clobber the religious from the jump, or even have the right to do so. Afterall, it wasn't until recently in human history that it became ok to be Atheist. I harbor no ill feelings toward anyone in particular as long as a persons beliefs are not being crammed down my throat as if their way is so much superior to my own or the other hundreds of acknowledged religions. As to your claim of lacking intelligence, I am not sure how to prove my intellect as I could claim my education and certifications, but I think we all know that is a very limited measure. Lets try this: I won't insult you personally, or your your kind simply because I don't agree with you.

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There we go. You just have to prove me right.

Psalms 53 proves you wrong about atheism. It's been around since the beginning of time. This particular Psalm was written by King Dawid circa 1,000 BC or 3017 years ago.

1 The fool says in his heart,

“There is no God.”

They are corrupt, and their ways are vile;

there is no one who does good.

2 God looks down from heaven

on all mankind

to see if there are any who understand,

any who seek God.

3 Everyone has turned away, all have become corrupt;

there is no one who does good,

not even one.

4 Do all these evildoers know nothing?

They devour my people as though eating bread;

they never call on God.

5 But there they are, overwhelmed with dread,

where there was nothing to dread.

God scattered the bones of those who attacked you;

you put them to shame, for God despised them.

6 Oh, that salvation for Israel would come out of Zion!

When God restores his people,

let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad!

But hey let's not have historical documentation get in the way of a good lie right? If it's easy to lie then what else is easy for atheists to do? They have no morality so they can murder, rape, molest, etc... to their heart's content. Is it any wonder that atheism has the highest body count out of all the religions? They put Islam to shame.

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Holy shit.... pardon the expression. I missed that last part. I sure hope this is an elaborate troll. Where are you getting your stats on atheists and body count? Far as I know we're still catcing up to the crussaides (sp). Which if I am not mistaken was purely driven by the christian church to push muslims/moors out of th "holy city" because..... god said so...

I don't know the actual numbers, but i will hazard a guess that people doing shitty thing across the population is fairly distributed. The only major difference is motive i suspect. Atheists stay in line because the know how shitty behavior affects others, and they have been taught what is right. The religious do so out of fear of punishment, but on the flip side they can still repent on their deathbed. So, that begs the question. Who is more to go off the rails. The man who knows there is no redemption, or the one who knows that there is a mulligan in his back pocket.

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Pardon? What argument? You made an unsubstantiated claim that Atheists commit more murder, and other crime due to their lax moral fabric because they don't accept your god. I simply asked for a source that backs this up, then made my own semi-substantiated (the crusades did happen, and people were murdered and died in the name of god) claim to the contrary. The onus is on you sir, to prove your claim that atheists are somehow skewed more toward ill behavior than other segments of the population.

Instead of waiting, here, I'll get the ball rolling:

Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study http://www.nairaland.com/121066/predominantly-atheist-countries-lowest-crime

Misinformation and facts about secularism and religion

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/our-humanity-naturally/201103/misinformation-and-facts-about-secularism-and-religion

Atheists Have Stronger Family Values Than Christians

https://www.care2.com/causes/atheists-have-stronger-family-values-than-evangelical-christians.html

These are some I found in less than a minute using Google. The articles are based on studies and you should be able to access the meta for your own perusal. That should be enough to defeat the "argument" unless it is being based solely off belief and emotion. In other words, if you are open to debate, and the possibility of having to change your view on us lowly atheists.

There is no winning in being divisive, we are all hairless apes nothing more, nothing less. I only ask respect and courtesy in trade for respect and courtesy. Why would I ignore you? With exception to some harsh words, I take no exception to what you have to say. I may not agree with it/you but you are entitled to your say. If we are not free to discourse how are we to ever come to understanding?

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So, your rebuttal is that i am wrong because "historical documentation" from a book I believe to be ficticious says so. A book that has been proven no more true than false. By your logic, being generous here, I could make citation from the Illiad, or Mein Kampf if it lends itself to my point, and you should be expected to believe me on that basis. Maybe I could give you my interpretation of cave paintings that predate your bible, and their atheist roots (spoiler -it would be complete unsupportabe conjecture). The point being, use an unrefutable source if you intend it to be proof of your claim. To you the bible may be the authority, to me it is a mediocre sci-fi fantasy novel.

What lie did i tell? I gave you an answer that you don't like, that is not a lie (someones inner feminist is showing). I understand, back in the good old days when someone gave an unpopular answer you could cry heretic and have them murdered to silence dissent, but we have evolved from there. You can't simply point at me and shout liar (heretic) and expect others or myself to accept it on faith that you have no particular axe to grind.

I suggest you get a handle on that hate for atheists you have or it will consume you. I know... you don't hate anyone.... How does that saying go? "Don't listen to her words, pay attention to her actions." I think it applies here just as well.

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Title	Why trust the Bible? (Why the Bible isn't a Fairy Tale as Atheist Religious believers say.) \| Zacharias Trust
Author	MadPreacher1AD
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Date	December 26, 2017 6:34 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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