Incel here, I want to thank you guys for standing up for us.

1-800-CALL-MGTOW · 2018-07-09T20:49:32+00:00

Just go all the way with your redpill knowledge and go mgtow my man. Theres four ways you can go, want women and succeed (PUA), want women and fail (incel), or you can not care about women and fail or not care about them and succeed with mgtow and it doesn't matter! Flip the game on its head man. Stop caring about what society and your biology is compelling you to care about. Find shit you love and do it. Life is short and full of suffering, we don't need crazy bitches with too much power and agitating natures to bother us even more!!

account4189 · 2018-07-09T21:14:28+00:00

Well, in all seriousness, I don't see a lot of MGTOWs standing up for incels, at least in this forum. I do see what I think are some MGTOWs who are trying to rationalize their position in the dominance hierarchy (as they perceive it and understand it) by pushing incels down. It's reminds me of the no true scotsman fallacy with respect to MGTOW - "you can't be MGTOW if you're forced to go your own way" etc. etc. "Real MGTOW aren't guys who were rejected. MGTOW's do the rejecting!" etc. I'm paraphrasing, but you get the idea.

MGTOW is a very simple idea. It's just walking away from traditional relationships with women. The most common denominator is walking away from marriage, but could also include LTRs, provisioning/protecting, etc. The motivations, sexual history, position in the dominance hierarchy, all that jazz - MGTOW is silent on all of that. What that means is that MGTOW isn't a movement, can't be a movement, and once you stop looking at the one point of commonality of the guys on this forum (walking away from women) - the lives are going to look different really fast.

At the end of it, involuntary celibacy, female rejection, and male disposability are built into the fabric of nature and are conditions of existence for many dimorphic species - not just human. But alas - the desire to exert power and will over others lower in the dominance hierarchy is also shared among many species.

In my opinion, the magic step that turns an incel into a MGTOW, if he chooses to identify as one - would simply be opting out of those relationships. That is not the same as "not being attracted to women," "not feeling the desire for reproduction," etc. Those things are hardwired and the emotions are poorly controlled, if at all, and probably not controlled by the conscious mind, rather just felt and recorded by what you think is your consciousness.

So the phenomenal definition for MGTOW, if it's to be based in action and not feelings, is simply walking away from women. It's possible to walk away from women while still desiring women, it's just not necessarily comfortable.

So although it's impossible for someone to be MGTOW and incel at the same time, it's not because the difference is great with respect to position on the reproductive hierarchy - most men MGTOW, incel, beta-orbiter, asexual, gay, whatever - won't be Chad. There's Chad - and everyone else as far as women are concerned. Those distinctions in the non-apex group don't matter at all to women (or to high-status men even), and that's partly where all the "you can't get laid shaming comes from. That's all they see when they look at the men who aren't Chad. Their whole world revolves around the struggle for survival and reproduction and that's how their perception is framed. Even someone like Jordan Peterson can't really get away from this, and that's why his take on something like Christianity is so anti-Christian in many ways.

The reason why it's impossible to be MGTOW and incel at the same time is because one chases and the other doesn't. It's that simple. There are likely MANY MGTOW who would be incel if they were still chasing. That's just how the math of male disposability works. Most men aren't high status - most men get shit on by the collusion between apex males and women. Apex males and women band together to rent-seek off of the labor of non-apex men.

If you've already come to some sort of peace about your place in the reproductive struggle, and you're not caring about it to the point where you're chasing pussy, then guess what? - you're more MGTOW than you are incel.

Vlad_the_imp_hailer · 2018-07-09T23:49:51+00:00

Get an escort to take care of that. No reason that celibacy should be involuntary.

Bobby2016b · 2018-07-10T00:51:56+00:00

When I reached my thirties, I got a girlfriend who thought I had the looks of a model.

In fact when I was in my twenties, a model scouting agency took loads of photographs of me when they saw me out in public.

However please note the following well.

** For most of my young life, I could not get a girlfriend. I could not get sex. **

I will say that again. For most of my twenties and late teens, I could not get a girlfriend or sex.

I worked hard in difficult jobs in my twenties. I'm sure I wasn't cool or rich enough or entertaining enough for women. Who knows? Maybe they only want to date men with nice houses and expensive cars.

Just remember even Brad Pitt isn't good enough to Angelina Jolie. Ditto to loads of other rich famous people.

Don't label yourself as incel. It means nothing. Labels add nothing.

Tipofthemorni · 2018-07-10T01:13:15+00:00

Sorry dude, we aren't here to defend you.

You're by definition cucked out of the market not by choice but by your poor genetics. I'm very glad you're unable to breed.

2018-07-10T03:31:55+00:00

I lost my virginity at 28. Get an escort, lose the virginity. You are going to learn that it is not such a big deal. Afterward 4 years, I went on some online dates and had sex with a few women. I learned it's really not a big deal and really glad I didn't waste so much time or money chasing sex.

The biggest lie society, stereotypes, and media feed us is that sex is the answer to life. Sex makes it all better. Sex is the greatest thing ever. Seriously, go get some escorts, have sex, and find out it's not really the hype that it is sold on. Go on proof and experience, not expectations.

GimmeDaScoobySnacks · 2018-07-10T01:07:16+00:00

This is the right attitude to have. Don't worry/bother about women. Just work on yourself, better yourself, the women will come naturally after that. And then it's upto you.

Title	Incel here, I want to thank you guys for standing up for us.
Author	Incelpodcast
Upvotes	13
Comments	10
Date	July 9, 2018 6:47 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/8xer9s/incel_here_i_want_to_thank_you_guys_for_standing/
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