Its Nietzsche the father of mgtow or is there some other author that expressed his mgtow feelings beforehand?

DigitalScetis · 2017-11-17T01:00:00+00:00

Plenty. I bet I can, if I look into it, find some Sumerian who gone his own way. Here are some:

Elijah Jeremiah Socrates Sophocles Alcibiades Diogenes Augustine Benedict Anthony of the Desert Jesus of Nazareth The Buddah John the Baptist The apostle Paul Henry VIII Charlemagne Ragnar Lothbrok Thomas Hobbes Renee Descartes Isaac Newton Georg Hegel Jean Jaques Rousseau Giovanni Cassanova The Marquis de Sade Arthur Schopenhauer Niccolo Machiavelli

...and that's just off the top of my head.

dogwoodcat · 2017-11-17T00:35:36+00:00

1 Corinthians 7

ChrisBrownApologist · 2017-11-17T01:07:50+00:00

Diogenes, Heraclitus (Nietzsche's daddy)

Buddha?

TheOnlyThing-Sufjan · 2017-11-17T01:45:12+00:00

I do not even know if I would call Nietzsche's work related to the ideas of MGTOW. It really depends ofcourse on which books and which Nietzsche you are talking about (the early or the latter one). The one thing that always struck me with Nietzsche (this is from the latter one) is his argumentation that one should not fall into Nihilism, but one should return to the earth and stand into relation with nature (not necessarily as a kind of spirtualism, but a argumentation against the Godly and the Ratio). In this I read more of a traditional value kind of philosopher. God is dead so we have to go back to our routes and not live as though God is still alive. The uber mens will be able to make this jump and in doing so will rid himself of false ideas inspired by rationalisation or god. However I cannot make a good claim about this all since Nietzsche was never that clear to me.

One thing that is intressting is his slave moral, in which he states that the strong (in the sense of the virtues strong in the greek sense, meaning brave, powerfull, leadership) are being enslaved by morality by the weaker ones (if for the normal moral probabbly slaves to the strong ones, of the reasons it is called a slave moral) to keep them under control. One could argue that feminism is a form of slave moral, however I feel like that is interperting Nietzsche in a very conveniant way.

To sum up: I do not see why Nietzsche would be the father of mgtow beliefs, since I do not even see Nietzsche incorperation any MGTOW beliefs in his writings, however I would like to hear your arguments as to why Nietzsche does incoperate MGTOW beliefs.

Now to answer your question: I think Plato, or almost any of the early greek philosophers and or roman philosophers have incorperated some form of MGTOW. Also people like Kant seemed to have a negative view on marriage ect.

trowawaymylife · 2017-11-17T03:34:51+00:00

Nah, there were a bunch as already discussed. I seriously recommend reading Epicurus. http://www.epicurus.net/

Another thing that many people don't know is that Buddhist missionaries were in contact with ancient Greece. It's really quite fascinating; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhism

NietzscheExplosion · 2017-11-17T04:31:31+00:00

He is actually beyond MGTOW. He is what happens after men (and women....NEVER KNOW), become intellectually honest about everything. ACCEPT THEY ARE NOT PERFECT. ACCEPT THEY ARE NOT THE END. A Beginning.

"I teach you the overman. Man is something that shall be overcome. What have you done to overcome him? All beings so far have created something beyond themselves; and do you want to be the ebb of this great flood and even go back to the beasts rather than overcome man? What is the ape to man? A laughingstock or a painful embarrassment. And man shall be just that for the overman: a laughingstock or a painful embarrassment...
Behold, I teach you the overman. The overman is the meaning of the earth.Let your will say: the overman shall be the meaning of the earth! I beseech you, my brothers, remain faithful to the earth, and do not believe those who speak to you of otherworldly hopes! Poison-mixers are they, whether they know it or not. Despisers of life are they, decaying and poisoned themselves, of whom the earth is weary: so let them go.
Once the sin against God was the greatest sin; but God died, and these sinners died with him. To sin against the earth is now the most dreadful thing, and to esteem the entrails of the unknowable higher than the meaning of the earth...
What is the greatest experience you can have? It is the hour of the great contempt. The hour when your happiness, too, arouses your disgust, and even your reason and your virtue. The hour when you say, 'What matters my happiness? It is poverty and filth and wretched contentment. But my happiness ought to justify existence itself.'
The hour when you say, 'What matters my reason? Does it crave knowledge as the lion his food? It is poverty and filth and wretched contentment.' The hour when you say, 'What matters my virtue? As yet it has not made me rage. How weary I am of my good and my evil! All that is poverty and filth and wretched contentment.'|

from Nietzsche's Thus spoke Zarathustra, p.3 Walter Kaufmann transl.

Title	Its Nietzsche the father of mgtow or is there some other author that expressed his mgtow feelings beforehand?
Author	trowawaymylife
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Date	November 17, 2017 12:33 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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