A "polite" list of questions a from a seemingly dissenting point of view.

The_Grand_Wizowd · 2017-08-10T03:42:26+00:00

What is with people coming in here and bitching and questioning us about society?

Nobody here cares about society or what happens within it. MGTOW is our escape from the cancerous collective called "society". All we're doing is forging an existence for ourselves we enjoy. Nothing more, nothing less.

johntheother · 2017-08-10T05:09:28+00:00

Q: How do you personally define "PC" and "anti-PC"

A: Politically correct is a euphemism for "socially conformist falsehood". Anti-PC is any statement that is truthful (from the point of view of the speaker - even if facts show that it is incorrect) and contradicts the public narrative promoted by the political ruling class of a culture. To conform to PC "facts" when you know they are objectively false is cowardly and immoral.

Q: The video speaks down on women's rights, racial equality and gender equality claiming that they are all Marxist constructs to bring down western society, do you agree?

A: Modern feminism and social justice ideology are a re-branding of Marxism, promoted by Jacques Derrida and his contemporaries in the 1960's and 70's

Q: Do you believe western society as it is right now is perfect?

A: No, of course not. What a silly question.

Counter-question to the original poster: Do actually you think it is possible to create a "perfect" society without murdering billions of people?

Q: If not what changes would you make and how would you make them?

A: Not going to type out a manifesto. We have ceased to value dialogue - although it is the highest virtue that can undo violence.

The history of the 20 Century is not taught to current generation high school and university students - which is why we are about to repeat the same mass-killings that followed the 20ths century's experiments with collectivist governance (Pol-Pot, Mao, Stalin, Castro)

Q: Do you believe that men and women are currently 100% equally socially? If not who has the "advantage" and Why?

A: This is an absurd question. Who is it acceptable to sexually mutilate as an infant? Who comprises 70% of the homeless and 4/5 of suicides. On whom do our governments spend more public money? I will not type out all the stats, these numbers are well-known.

Q: Do you date and or try to date right now?

A: No.

Q: Do you believe in the social contract as describe by Hobbes and Roussou?

A: It was a good thing while it lasted.

Q: Where do men belong in society?

A: This cant be answered without a long and rambling descent into ideology.

Q: Where do women belong is society?

A: Same answer as previous question.

Q: Does differentiating between genders strengthen society?

A: Yes, although the question is ill-formed. Sex characteristics are real - and sex is a bimodal distribution of reproductively significant physical, behavioral, cognitive and chromosomal differences in almost all animal populations (including humans) - to pretend otherwise is to deny reality. Gender on the other hand is a word with no clear meaning. ( does it mean mood? does it mean fashion choice? )

Q: Does discussion on race issues strengthen society?

A: This question is too vague to answer. Presently our academic and political classes seem to have fixated on racial discussion to the point of obsessed mental illness. So, that's not useful or healthy - but if we weren't all being sucked into a civilization-ending tornado of stupidity - then some discussion would be useful.

Q: Do you believe your home nation (please identify) has race issues if not when did they end? If they do what are the issues?

A: Yes Canada has racial issues - just like all nations - they will never end - because people are individuals, prone to disagree, to form -in group alliances and are not collective animals like ants or termites. SJWs make this much worse, and amplify racism from a small issue to a big one.

Q: What are the greatest issues facing your home country?

A: Our present political classes seem to think we should erase our national identity and take on the culture of failed middle eastern states. This is going to create a great deal of violence, death and chaos.

Q: Do you believe that society has the right to ignore you based on the things you say?

A: Society doesn't have any rights. Only an individual person has rights. And a person has a right to ignore me, or anyone else, just as I have a right to ignore them.

Q: Do you believe society has the right to pass laws against you based on the things you say.

A: The question is so ill-formed that it is meaningless. A society is a collective - and a collective can not have rights. Additionally - freedom of speech is the highest social and public good - and it is the thing that prevents violence. This bears repeating. Freedom of speech is the valve that prevents violence in a functional society.

Q: Give me an example of the worst thing that could happen in your day that you would post about to this sub.

A: I do not post my grievances in this sub-reddit. They are my problems to solve - not whine about in an online bulletin board.

Q: Give me an example of the best thing that could happen in your day that you would post about to this sub.

A: I also don't post my victories in this sub-reddit either - but a really good score would be getting a falsely accused person free from fraudulently made accusations and criminal charges - and getting them productively on the way to regaining control of their own life and identity. This happens for me about once each month.

cheesymold · 2017-08-10T03:53:18+00:00

Read through the posts, nobody will have the same answer for what you're looking for but you'll get a general idea of what he group consensus is and that is that we do not want to participate with women for the most part because of the risks involved. Emotionally, financially and legally. So we do our own thing without society.

69username69 · 2017-08-10T04:15:24+00:00

i am going my own way. my way is different than anyone elses way. im doing whats best for me. society and women have all decided that i am nothing more than a disposable wage slave. the laws are designed to fuck me over if i want a family. so im out. i want no part of this. ps. women are to be treated like the trash that they are, and only used for sex. if i could suppress my biological urge for sex than i would have nothing to do with women ever, if possible.

69username69 · 2017-08-10T04:35:59+00:00

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JayJayEcks · 2017-08-10T05:12:45+00:00

Useful idiot: "I'm going to bug a bunch of men who don't give a fuck with some questions about giving fucks. Let's see what they say!"

69username69 · 2017-08-10T05:22:26+00:00

"A "polite" list of questions..."

NFG; good luck on whatever paper youre writing for whatever college class you are in...

mrbigtanderson · 2017-08-10T09:11:40+00:00

The funny part is really here you will get some very different answers I feel. So just from that aspect it will be interesting, but let us begin.

PC or politically correct is defined by Merriam-Webster as " conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated" Anti-PC, opposite of that. I find this meaning is a pretty good way to explain it.
I do not know which video in particular, but I will I will summarize the personal belief on these terms in reference to each of them trying to bring down western society. I honestly do not think that this is done willingly with intent to bring down western society. I just don't have that much faith in people to think that far ahead so as to push it in a particular way or fashion will produce a specific and exact result. I do think there are a lot of problems in relation to each term as with really most terms but those three in particular I feel have had a very furious group of people trying to defend it like it was their religion.
Absolutely not, perfect I feel is an abstract term. We can never achieve it so we may say it and know the meaning but we honestly do not have an in depth understanding of it. I will say that I feel western society has the best chance right now to at least improve in fashions that other cultures have failed in the past. What changes would I make? I don't know because in all honesty I would come in with a list of problems I think and someone may feel there is a bigger set we need to look at and it would be both of our efforts to learn from the other to come on to a related set of conclusions.
No, My opinion is that both sides have strengths and weaknesses socially in various forms but support is very pro female and anti-male specifically. Socially as in many cases I would hope that we would do more to base off of the content of a persons character more so then vague generalizations about gender.
I used to, right now health problems make that difficult and honestly I know myself to a be a touch eclectic for people just getting to know me, that is one of my social weaknesses. I will say when things get a little better I may date again or I may not it all depends, but I would most likely put my projects and hobbies ahead of dating right now.
I honestly am not familiar with the social contract described by Hobbes and Reassou so I can't say anything about it. 7/8 The problem with these two is I do not think there is a specific defined place for one gender or the other. If you played skyrim or oblivion you can create a character with their own star sign, race, gender and all of these build a set of strengths and weaknesses that you can either build off of or ignore completely. I think while we can be aware through research to find patterns in different capabilities across different groups of people it is also more so up to the individual.
If there is a body of research stating what differences are, the specific strengths and weaknesses it would be smart to at least keep it in mind. To know yourself truly is the best way to grow.
If we talk about the majority of conversation, no. The majority of conversation on race relations is the equivalent to a bunch of screeching banshees. If we talk about people sitting down and having an actual thoughtful conversation, then yest that would be very useful.
US here, I feel if you are white you will be hated in very liberal areas( I was born in Portland, OR) College funding options, tax breaks for businesses, employment opportunities overall favor people of different ethnicity I feel, affirmative action and various forms of help are not allowed to you or you will be pushed back in the queue for it. Great example on that me and my sister had gone through rough times in our lives, she is two years younger then me and we both were homeless for two years give or take a month more for her. She got cars, beds to sleep in, boxes of food, cash benefits, health insurance, dental insurance, and an entire booklet of people ready to help her up because she was female. I was a white male and I received none of it until I got on state health insurance after a social worker looked at my medical file in the hospital and saw how many times I was pushed back. Their is no way for me to get a car. Their has been nothing payed on my behalf when all of this was thrown at her to the point where we would talk about this and she was shocked to know that I would not be helped because of me being male. You cannot claim to be for people in the area if you do not want to deal with a majority of them, it comes off in my view as a bit hypocritical. If I didn't trade and do my damndest to survive I have no doubt I would be dead and no one would care because of my skin tone and my gender.
People getting insulted over everything, and not willing to say they are wrong. I am sure I will need to either better explain myself or get proven to be an idiot after this post in one point or another, no one is perfect and all I can hope as I take the hit gracefully. I know I will be wrong sometimes, I know I will try to treat people with a modicum of basic human respect. I also know I am a dick, and sometimes stupidity has ways of making any person lose faith in the human species. We need to converse, learn and grow as individuals so we can better support what we love.
I would hope people would at least take what I am saying into account but me as a person if they want to ignore me then yes they would have the right. Where that changes is when people try to prop themselves up as being caring when their is a lot of personal evidence showing such action. You have the right to be a hypocrite, as do I and that does not change the fact that we are in some cases.
No, unless you are directly inspiring an attack I.e ("I am going to kill you when you got to sleep" or do something to make it decidedly easier (releasing personal information to make targeted attacks easier or doxxing)
I don't post negative things to the sub, that is not I personally deal with it.
One of my projects does very well, something I put a lot of time in became really successful, I got a degree or something like that. What are your answers to your questions? (edited for spacing on questions)

gantz_au · 2017-08-10T12:28:58+00:00

First I'll start off with a question to myself that you didn't ask but probably should have started off your questionnaire with.

Question 0. Why are you MGTOW? I've been a voluntary bachelor since before I knew the term "Men Going Their Own Way" existed. I'm here because I realised, based on my own set of principles, that I am someone who is going my own way, away from what society deems the norm.

Before any of the usual assumptions are made, I'm not white, I don't hate women (I don't hate anyone or anything for that matter) and as far as I can tell, I'm some form of libertarian... though, I'm not politically motivated enough to really figure out which form of libertarian philosophy I align with.

I also recognise that marriage and relationships with women are a dangerous gamble that I don't want to be associated with in the current political climate. I understand that many other types of people, women, transgendered individuals, etc, have their own issues that they have to deal with... and I, as a heterosexual male, also have my own issues to deal with and the only person who can help me deal with those issues is me.

After carefully weighing my options, I have decided that it's better to stay single than to associate with women because remaining single is the safer option with a better chance of rewards for my efforts.

The only downside of remaining single and going my own way from society is the fact that I won't ever have children. However, I've decided that the importance of children is so paramount that it's better to not have children at all.

My reasoning is this: My mother and father have been married for my entire life and have stayed together to this day. They're traditionalists, but they have pretty liberal views in terms of accepting that their children should decide their own paths in life.

Because of their example, I value having both my mother and father in my life so much that I expect the same for my potential children. Yes, I understand that other people believe that they're capable single parents, but I don't care about what other people believe about themselves, I'm concerned only about what I believe for myself.

However, considering how rare it is for couples to stay together in today's society, it is impractical to believe that I can find a relationship that will last. When the day comes, in this hypothetical scenario, when that relationship ends, I will end up losing everything I had built up to that point as well as the most important things in my life, my children.

Losing my children would destroy me.

So, I choose to abstain and go my own way instead. My life is pretty damn good now and I'm really happy with the way things have turned out for me. I've worked hard and I'm reaping the rewards of all that effort. Is it ideal? No, there's no such thing as an ideal life, but it is better than the alternative.

Don't care about political correctness, I'll be polite to people and show common courtesy as socially acceptable in the situation, but I won't go out of my way for anyone as it is impractical to do so at all times. I don't care about anti-political correctness either, there's no point in putting effort into that.
Haven't watched the video and the topics you describe that are contained in the video seem to be unrelated to why I'm here.
No society is perfect and I wouldn't try to change any society because that would mean that I would be imposing my values on other people and I don't think that's right for me to do.
There is no such thing as actual equality. Someone is always under someone else, the fight for "equality" is simply a fight for domination with the victor also convincing the subordinate that they're better off with the other person in the dominant position.
Nope, no interest. Because I've decided to stay single, I've been able to do a lot of excellent things with my life. I've gained an education, worked my ass off to save money, found a stable career, got a great car, a great house and have lots of hobbies that keep my interest. Single life is great and I'd never give that up.
Not familiar with this, sorry.
No idea, I'm more concerned about my own needs and being able to fit myself into society so that I can be free to live and be happy.
No idea, I'm more concerned about my own needs and being able to fit myself into society so that I can be free to live and be happy.
No idea, I'm more concerned about my own needs and being able to fit myself into society so that I can be free to live and be happy.
Discussions about everything is better than having no discussion at all.
I'm from Australia, but I was born in Fiji. All countries have racial tensions, where there are people who are different from other people (not just racially, I'm talking in general), there will always be tensions. But, just because there are tensions, that doesn't mean people of different racial backgrounds, political leanings, etc, can't live together and work together. Everyone does it all the time without realising it.
No idea. There are plenty of issues to go around all the time and I'm not too interested with keeping up with all of them.
I'm not famous so society in the collective sense does not even know that I exist. But, if you're asking whether people have a right to be offended by whatever they find me saying on the Internet or any other public forums/venues... Sure, they have the right to be offended. If people choose to ignore me then they have a right to ignore me as well. I don't particularly care what people do just as long as it doesn't encroach on any of my personal boundaries.
Society can do whatever it wants, doesn't mean I'll stop. I know full well that my freedoms can be taken away from me at any time without warning and there's absolutely nothing I can do about it if it ever happens.
Dunno, I post here on a whim, the only reason I really come here is because the people are interesting.
Dunno, I post here on a whim, the only reason I really come here is because the people are interesting.

Finally, just as an aside, everyone here in this place are here for their own reasons. I don't find community with any of them, they're just a bunch of individuals who say interesting things. I'm not tied to this place or the people here, I go where I please.

bonusfruit · 2017-08-10T13:50:10+00:00

I would answer these honestly if it didn't seem like such an obvious set up for a hit piece. You could just as easily mine for hateful comments in this sub

Title	A "polite" list of questions a from a seemingly dissenting point of view.
Author	69username69
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Comments	24
Date	August 10, 2017 3:27 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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