Any mgtow out there relate to anarchism/meritocracy?

ForgottenCat · 2018-02-24T10:14:09+00:00

I was always under the impression that anarchy was temporary under a power vacuum. Like how america was an anarchist society until the continental army took over. Also...this is reddit and most people are super liberal, so i doubt anyone would actually give anarchy a real thought. I mean most people will just build up a strawman for the idea. You an anarchist bruh?

spoopytater · 2018-02-24T12:08:38+00:00

TLDR; rulers only exist because people believe they are neccesary and have the right to rule us. It is entirely based on faith. Government is a religion, a false god.

I recommend the book Spontaneous Order by Christopher Chase Rachels. It is a good 101 on the matter of anarchy, both in an economic as well as in a moral sense. Anarchy is better termed "economic freedom" because thats exactly what it is by definition. Thats why you'll hear the terms "free market" or sometimes "voluntaryism" because the term "anarchy" has been perverted to be synonymous with "chaos" and "disorder."

The problem isn't power vacuums or might makes right, these are symptoms. The problem is people's belief that an overarching ruler is necessary or desirable, regardless if it takes the form of a monarch, emperor, parliament, congress, or whatever other flavor. The only reason so called "power vacuums" happen is because the populous in question believes there needs to be someone in power in the first place.

Think of this: in the US (as of a few years ago) there was one sworn law enforcement official for every 420 something citizens. Thats about 0.25% of the total polulation. Yet they wield such an enormous amount of power over the lives of the citizens. Thats not because of their guns and body armor, the people themselves are far better armed than they and their numbers are overwhelming. Its because those people believe they have power. In reality, if they all suddenly stopped believing in their power, they wouldn't even need to fight them. They coukd just stop paying taxes and obeying their orders.

Even if you include the military (1.4 million to 323 million citizens, and crucially, the citizens are the supply lines) the entire government system in the US could literally be ignored out of existence in a matter of hours.

So what keeps this tiny, imperceptibly small (and completely dependent on those which they rule) group of people in power? Nothing more than blind faith.

The difference between a legitimate authority or illegitimate one is the former is consensual and takes the form of a trade, the latter does not.

Example of a legitimate authority: employer/employee. The employee grants certain authority to the employer in exchange for wages, and both are free to terminate the relationship at any time. They both have the incentive to do right by each other, the employee to do good work, show up on time, etc, and the employer to pay competitively, provide good working conditions, etc.

Example of an illegitimate authority: government/citizen. The government tells the citizen what they can and cannot do and that he must obey or he gets caged or possibly killed if he doesn't. The citizen's only incentive is to obey to protect his life from it. No consent was ever given on the part of the citizen. It boils down to "you fell out of your mother's vagina and landed on MY dirt, therefore you belong to me!"

Mchooofer · 2018-02-24T12:44:24+00:00

Anarchism requires men to become self thinking.. not many men can even comprehend that idea

DamnIamHigh_Original · 2018-02-24T10:14:46+00:00

Half-half works here best (Germany), I'm ok with higher taxes when it helps somewhat. If I ever get homeless and dont drink booze I get a bed to sleep so why not. Capitalism is still a good part of it

migmxke · 2018-02-24T22:28:29+00:00

Anarchy is the ideal state in an alien civilization with super-intelligent and super-moral beings. Just look at ant-colonies, but replace ants with 200 IQ geniuses. They would need no central authority and no police. Every being would know his place in the civilisation and would have many freedoms and many responsibilities. Every genius would do the right and moral thing, and there would be no need to police anything. Everyone would be friendly to each other. Competitions would only exist in order make progress for everybody. Free trades everywhere. To each, according their needs ("=Anarcho-capitalism"). Smart contracts abundant. Cryptographic currencies all visible in a public ledger. Of course this requires to ban all form of authority including all stupid religions and all central banks (=thieves). The main religion would be science and technology. Children would be taught STEM in the kindergarten school. People with IQ under 190 would lose their right to vote for leaders. But people with IQ over 210, would gain the right to be elected in office. They would not have authority, but they would just do bureaucratic jobs to keep the society going. An army would only form if the colony would be under attack. The past human societies would be seen as war-mongering monkeys, and as an example to avoid.

GenericRanger · 2018-02-24T10:06:06+00:00

Anarchy doesn't work, it's dog eat dog. It's basically true capitalism at play.

The only society that should exist should have some form of merit based achievement.

ForgottenCat · 2018-02-24T10:58:06+00:00

I relate to Anarchism and Stoicism, if you wanna discuss philosophy, im always ready for that topic.

klim_milk · 2018-02-24T18:56:47+00:00

Yes, I wish it were possible. But who administers this anarchist meritocracy? Who keeps it anarchist through generations? There's the rub.

Title	Any mgtow out there relate to anarchism/meritocracy?
Author	Dontgetmadbud
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Date	February 24, 2018 9:35 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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