This was me years ago. And I felt quite TFL. I felt as if no matter what... I secretly knew all chicks were bad and didnt love me/deserve me really. I was having sex with different girls, but i knew that in this world there is no space for relationships anymore. So it is as if you are forced to only have sex, and nothing more because there is actually nothing more, so it is somehow still imposed on you, because you cant lie to yourself, i dont know if i make myself clear...

Notice, this was years ago, and it was not mgtow exactly, because this was more like a nihilism than the actual mgtow zen. I basically, instinctively knew that most women if not all, i would not love or have a relationship, and they would not love me back or would backstab me. This is kind of TFL actually, even if you are having sex with them, you are still very lonely, i mean, you know you are as lonely as it gets. I felt angry and resentful, but its all hidden and camouflaged by the short term high of sex. And i didnt like the idea that the world as it is, it is not suitable anymore for that possibility, if it ever was right - Well this was my thought at the time, i was so basic, and i didnt know half the shit mgtow told me.

I think a guy the pump and dumps still can be a TFL, because afterall if he is conscious, he knows that he is not in a position to survive a relationship in modern times with modern women, and at same time wish from the bottom of his heart that things were different. You see now? So TFL is not Incel right? I think this is the distinction. TFL is a guy that is alone, and wants a relationship, an incel is a guy that wants sex and doesnt have.

The world we grew up in was so surreal. It reminds me the mouse utopia. Why would you have a relationship with a female mouse in the advanced stage? There would be only high risks for you, and your life would end fast.