Mgtow men are the male equivalent of feminists

Mick_Donalds · 2018-01-25T05:22:39+00:00

You're absolutely wrong about it all.

1: MGTOW men aren't DEMANDING that society change for us. We're telling women we're sick of their bullshit, their misandry, and we're subverting the system (that they've fucked up and rigged in their favor!) back towards our favor. We're working our way into HR departments, only hiring male candidates and disrupting female majority workplaces by using their tactics against them. "Listen I would be more comfortable with a male associate helping me please. I'm uncomfortable with your female presence"

2: We aren't demanding that women conform to any standards anymore. We know that 95% of women in the west are completely fucking LOST, plain and simple. They're not feminine, and don't wish to be. They're not Ladies anymore, and aren't trying to be. Feminists want white males to DIE, bottom line. They spew hatred, sexism and espouse a violent ideology that has pushed men away.

3: We're not forming lobbying groups and screeching autistically at the media to kowtow to our whining. We're crossing our arms, saying "see ya" and we're walking away, determined not to participate. Activism only causes derision and division. We don't have time for that bullshit. We've got industries to conquer, companies to build, research to complete, and continents to travel.

-and we're going to win in the end. There's going to be a whole lot of "feminist remorse" in about 10 years once the average woman figures it out.

gantz_au · 2018-01-25T05:36:01+00:00

There is a difference.

Feminists are collectivists.

Men who go their own way are individualists.

Feminists demand that society and everyone in it changes to conform to their own standards.

Men who go their own way change themselves to conform to their own standards.

Feminists expect everyone to bow down to their will.

Men who go their own way don't want anything from anyone around them.

Feminists use power and influence over others to get what they want.

Men who go their own way have no power and influence over others, they only have power and influence over themselves, and so use this power and influence to better themselves for their own sake.

Pretty simple, really.

1791Lfan · 2018-01-25T05:16:46+00:00

Shut up.

Fucken chicks must be everywhere...

Go away you friggen troll

trouble_with_trilbys · 2018-01-25T05:24:46+00:00

No we're not.

Simple way to test this: a declarative statement "Women are ..."

Then reverse the genders. Does the same hold true?

You sound naive. Based upon extensive experience, you are completely, 180-degrees wrong.

Slaide · 2018-01-25T07:13:12+00:00

New account. I'm going to guess it's either a pathetic troll, a retarded feminist/simp trying to get this board moderated, or some wannabe online "journalist" making some typical biased article online.

TLDR: you're more than likely a dishonest loser.

2018-01-25T05:38:02+00:00

2018-01-25T06:46:40+00:00

we don't get that sweet sweet alimony and child support while still having a masters and just not wanting to work though

johntheother · 2018-01-25T05:45:01+00:00

old argument, debunked long ago - believe it if you want.

2018-01-25T05:51:08+00:00

MGTOW men don't hate women. Just like most MGTOW men don't shun women. The material you see on this sub is to point out the hypocrisy of a femcentric society. You will see posts from men that have recently been 'red pilled' they call it the red pill rage. '

MGTOW men don't seek to virtue signal and they certainly don't seek supremacy. We just seek to forge our own paths. MGTOW does not need to give sympathy to women because society treats women like royalty. This is observation.

The MGTOW community is a brotherhood to help guide other men. We aren't MRAs. You seem to think women are victims and weak, this is by definition what feminists do.

trouble_with_trilbys · 2018-01-25T06:04:50+00:00

This post cannot be serious.

Shirley, you jest.

2018-01-25T06:17:53+00:00

top kek my dude.

PantsInBed · 2018-01-25T06:50:59+00:00

Feminism is a social movement which works tirelessly to change the social, cultural and legal fabric of society to fit their ideals.

MGTOW is a philosophy individuals adopt. It's based on male and female nature and the legal climate in which we operate, and how to best avoid the risks while optimizing happiness and freedom on an individual basis.

Huge difference.

rationalthought314 · 2018-01-25T07:16:12+00:00

You're confusing MRAs with Feminists not MGTOW. MGTOW share their stories as warnings and reasons for going their own way. They are not gathering and demanding society change. They simply realize the deck is stacked against them so they are removing themselves from the problem.

Mgtow men complain that women only want the top men, well men only chase top tier women to have serious relationships with

if that were the case there would be fewer people on the planet. The problem is girls who are 4-6 are chasing guys out of their league with fake-up on rather than going with guys in their same bracket. You've got old fat poor women demanding men be tall (something they cannot change) and wealthy.

Stop complaining and better yourself that the women you want don't want you.

Sorry, you want to run that by again in English?

Mgtow men complain that women manipulate money out of them, well men manipulate women to sleep with them then ditch them when they get bored.

most divorces are initiated by women

Its not the victim's fault for getting manipulated so stop blaming the young women who date the cheaters.

many young women are also cheaters

where the father teaches the daughter to respect herself but with so much divorce how can you blame the women to defend herself against manipulation when she never had a strong platonic male figure looking after her?

are you kidding? Many daughters are spoiled by their fathers hence part of the problem with entitlement and lack of accountability

Mgtow men know that women's peak is 20

huh? Are you 18 or something?

their time to find a mate is more limited however men have no guilt for wasting a woman's time by promising a relationship but breaking up or cheating for any better option.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. No, many women waste their "prime" time going after bad boys before settling down with the nice guy they shoved to the side years ago. The problem for them is many of those guys have wised up to this and have either gone their own way or decided to play the same game but with younger girls instead of going with the used-up girl in her 30s and 40s.

So when men complain that women divorce them and take their money its because after the divorce unemployed women will have to go on welfare and at an advanced age it is hard to get back into the job market.

This isn't the 1950s, dear. Many of those women have gone to college and have had jobs (usually sleeping with their boss too). The problem is they decided to get a so-so job and still depend on their husband's income while sleeping on the side.

Mgtow men only speak from their point of view.

what the fuck does that even mean?

They have no empathy for the women who get divorced.

Well not for those who cheated on their husbands, had children that wasn't their husband, and initiated divorce.

Mgtow men are the male equivalent of feminists

You didn't make that case at all. You have to actually make comparisons to show they are equivalent. You can't say A is like B then only talk about A the whole time. Learn how an argument works next time.

secant128 · 2018-01-25T07:57:49+00:00

False. I don't hate women, thats one. Two, mgtow is based on reality and feminism is based on the myth of a patriarchy.

Mgtow didn't create #metoo. Mgtow didn't create the duluth model, title 9 and other misandrist laws. Mgtow are just men who see the reality they are in, and react in accordance for self preservation.

Remind me who put these laws above? Its the feminist leftists. The feminists have the power of the government, the laws and courts, as well as many non profit organizations. Mgtow is just men trying to survive through their own ways and live their lives as they please instead of marriage or cohabitation. Its not even a group like the MRAs.

IslandicFreedom · 2018-01-25T07:59:04+00:00

Firstly I welcome the discussion. I take it as an opportunity to point out a few things. If I am wrong I'll also gladly admit it.

This isn't MGTOW vs Feminism. MGTOW != Meninism. But I get it, you're basing your understanding of MGTOW on what you see in context to a REDDIT sub. Remember this sub isn't MGTOW.

What is this sub? If I could sum it up, its the identification and discussion of an inequality in the world. That's pretty much it. People here aren't blogging about their day or their MGTOW experience.

Next thing is. MGTOW don't (or shouldn't) hate women. MGTOW isn't opposed to marriage (or shouldn't be). MGTOW's do want long-term relationships.

HOWEVER

MGTOW is opposed to MODERN marriage (aka marriage lite edition). MGTOW's are opposed to the way modern women behave. MGTOW's have come to understand the true nature of the MODERN female. And this is the plight of MGTOW -> Trying best to survive and thrive in a world where traditional notions of marriage and values have been all but destroyed by feminist agendas and the advent of the independent woman.

If anyone actually took the time to question MGTOW's on what they really wanted, they would know this. Ultimately what they want is a rewind in social development to a purer time before feminists destroyed society from the inside out.

However, as expected this destruction leaves a very bitter taste in the mouth of someone who is not crazy and who just wants to live a normal life, yet finds potential partners all subscribed to an evil / perverted system -> Hence terms like AWALT are formed. To the MGTOW they have been robbed of this normal life by crazy elements of society.

They see for the most part, a world around them oblivious to how things could be, and people just accepting this twisted status quo. They see people actively participating in a system which is ultimately no good for anyone.

In the meantime, suicide rates are at an all-time high. Mental disorders are rife. Divorce rates have skyrocketed to the point where the fabric of marriage (a bedrock of society) has been destroyed. Marriage is (almost) already dead. Have a look around you, many people are unhappy, they hate this way of life we've created.

People who identify with movements like MGTOW are basically saying "The world has gone crazy, and I don't want to be apart of all that crap". MGTOW isn't out trying to change or save the world.

In contrast, feminism is an active movement attempting to bring about social change. Doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with their message feminism IS A BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY. MGTOW isn't.

It's a bit like light and darkness. Light is an actual thing, darkness is merely the absence of light. At least in theory.

Problem is there is no meninism. Actually the closest thing to a male movement there is is MGTOW, and those who want to usher in meninism are using MGTOW as their umbrella movement. And frankly, that's ok in my book, however, I do wish Meninism would become an actual thing too. I think men deserve Meninism, and having meninism under the blanket of MGTOW doesn't really give it the breathing room and importance it deserves.

rebellionmarch · 2018-01-25T08:58:55+00:00

Well for one, we don't all collectively take a day off work to march in jock straps with penis hats down main street.

solireams · 2018-01-25T09:19:27+00:00

What is the difference of female hate towards men called feminist and male hate towards women called mgtow?

mgtow comes from a place of knowing. feminism comes from a place of ignorance.

2018-01-25T08:04:07+00:00

The difference is simple:

Feminists want to control men.

MGTOW want to control themselves.

trouble_with_trilbys · 2018-01-25T07:37:31+00:00

Okay, I looked at this again and now I have flatulence.

Thanks a lot.

2018-01-25T15:29:51+00:00

Eyes right, Cupcake:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/47azz6/welcome_to_mgtow_ready_to_change_your_life_this/

RTFM

Title	Mgtow men are the male equivalent of feminists
Author	SpyderNine
Upvotes	0
Comments	22
Date	January 25, 2018 5:13 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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