Even in patriarchal societies married women have it way easier than men [long comment about why so many saudi women oppose equality]

FritzLn · 2016-10-21T05:02:18+00:00

i think this might be the most eye-opening (sickening) comment:

I am an English teacher and for several years now I have worked very closely with Saudi students (among other nationalities). Prior to starting this job, I didn't know a single Saudi. over the years, I've worked with 150-200 of them. During this time, I started to see something that the mainstream media doesn't ever bring to our attention, as "the way women are treated" seems to always overshadow everything else. I started to notice the immense pressure that the culture puts on MEN also.

Most of them have told me that the main reason why they are learning English is, so that they can go back home to SA and get a job so that they can provide for the family (and by the way, this doesn't include the marriage expenses that the man is also responsible for). In fact, just a few days ago I was talking to a Saudi student who told me that as soon as he gets back to SA he has to get a job, because his mom, dad, and three sisters are counting on his support. He seemed really overwhelmed, to say the least. Yet at the same time, he seems to have fully accepted this as his responsibility. Another thing is, I cannot tell you how these Saudi students (these Saudi men) have treated me over the years that we have worked together. They have treated me with a sense of respect that is really hard to explain. For example, I quickly learned to never express that I am hungry or thirsty in front of them, as they would literally leave everything to go and get me food.

On another occasion, I was sick for a few days (down with the flu) and I was absent from work. No joke: 25 of them showed up to my house with flowers, fruits, vegetables, sweets, coconut water, (one of them bought a silver neckless for me) All of this? Why? (I quote their words) Because I am a woman. On so many occasions they have expressed such sympathy towards me because I am a woman and I work (which I've often laughed away, because it always comes off as adorable to me, but they are very serious about it) They have said so many times to me, that I shouldn't be working. I should be at home (quote their words) "to relax."

I have also been able to see a sense of childish behavior/tantrum-like behavior with Saudi/Middle Eastern women that i have worked with, and it has often made me wonder if this type of behavior maybe originates from the way that they grew up, knowing that a man will always provide with whatever they need, as that seems to be his number one obligation in life, in their culture. Let me explain: First of all, I am NOT saying this applies to all of them, but in my experience this has applied to 98% of those that I have worked with. All of their expenses (and believe me, the ones I was working with were living lavishly) were paid by the male members of their family (e.g. father, brother, uncles), never themselves. I once worked with an Emirate client who treated me really kindly. However, her Middle Eastern boyfriend had to pay for my food every time he bought food for her. He had to buy a gift for me every time he bought one for her. Why? Because she said so.

There were many occasions where she would tell me how much money she would spend per month, (we are talking about between 5 to 6 thousand) dollars, she would also add that the dad and the brothers were not happy about it, but they kept sending her money. I would ask her, why? She would reply, Because she is a woman, and in her culture you can never leave a woman without food/money/etc. Another situation I witnessed was: One Saudi man, flew in his wife and their little son. His wife was pregnant. The only reason why he flew her in was so that she could give birth to their baby in America, so that (in his words) "the baby would have better opportunities in the future. He flew her in two month before she was due. He paid two babysitters (ahead of time) to help her with everything. All she had to do was literally sit at home and wait for the baby to be delivered.

After four days, she said: I miss my family too much and also, America scares me based on what she had seen from American movies. Just like that, no questions asked, he did exactly what she wanted. He bought return tickets, and off they went. I asked him, but why are you giving in that easily, you have already paid for everything, you have invested a lot of money in this trip, his answer: "teacher, she is a woman, I have to do what she wants."

jesus fucking christ. as annoying as it is, america is probably still the best place to be a man. i would have killed myself long ago if i was a man in SA. the vagina is the most powerful weapon on planet earth.

Flaye2 · 2016-10-21T05:26:04+00:00

Patriarchal societies are still gynocentric.

FritzLn · 2016-10-21T02:14:17+00:00

Even tho I've swore off marriage and ltrs I still date or hang out with some women.. One thing that surprises me is how many flat out admit that they would LOVE to be a stay at home housewife..

Half the successful ones seem to hate their jobs. Many without children and a husband seen borderline depressed.. Feminism has brainwashed them into a life of misery

2016-10-21T04:16:15+00:00

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stawek · 2016-10-21T08:52:41+00:00

Responsibilities must come with power. If a man is responsible for woman's finances, he inevitably has the power over her finances.

Same with "protective" garments and going outsidee without chaperone. A father has responsibility to provide for his daughter. His resources are limited. Eventually he will shift this responsibility to her husband. If his daughter has premarital sex no man will want to marry her. By sleeping with somebody the daughter is literally enslaving her father to provide for her indefinitely. The same will happen if she gets raped - future husband could not care less why she isn't a virgin. Why wonder then that fathers will go to such great lengths to make sure their daughters remain virgins?

Pre-dna tests there was only one way to assure parenthood. Marry a virgin, lock her up in your house with your mother watching over her and fuck her till she gets pregnant. Further down the road it becomes nearly impossible, but the firstborn could reliably be made legitimate. This is why our culture put such pressure on virgin marriage and firstborns inheriting everything.

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soullessgeth · 2016-10-21T11:05:12+00:00

i feel like in reality, atheistic societies are worse for women.

women need a sea of bullshit to swim in to dominate men. religious fundamentalist societies like saudi arabia provide that.

part of the reason imo that men still call the shots in east asia is because of the generally a-religious culture and acceptance of prostitution and mistresses as a social norm.

so it depends on what you mean by patriarchal societies but highly religious societies in my opinion tend to be far worse for men a lot of the time. see: america versus russia...

smashmarxism · 2016-10-21T11:15:54+00:00

The idea that women are oppressed in Arab countries is a bit of a myth I think. In reality Arab men seem to treat their women as higher beings and genuinely believe that they are far more virtuous and honourable than men are.

Arab men behave like typical "white knights", they are likely to spend huge amounts of money on women, take them to expensive restaurants, and always be ready to fight to defend their "honour", that sort of white knight crap.

Title	Even in patriarchal societies married women have it way easier than men [long comment about why so many saudi women oppose equality]
Author	mutageno
Upvotes	30
Comments	20
Date	October 21, 2016 1:39 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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