MGTOW PR: "Why Do These Straight Men Want Nothing to Do With Women?" (Somewhat Evenhanded)

Eyes_Of_The_Dragon · 2016-10-18T18:52:24+00:00

The man cave makes a mockery out of itself.

My house is my man cave.

A Man Going His Own Way values self-ownership above all else, believing that he — and only he — has the right to decide what his goals in life should be. He refuses to surrender his will to the social expectations of women and society since he believes both have become hostile toward him.

Well said.

Them — “You live in a basement, play video games and watch porn all day!”

MGTOW — “I need a battery for my remote.”

Them — “You need to man up!”

MGTOW — “Nope.”

Them — “You’re selfish!”

MGTOW — “Yep.”

Perfect.

She believes MGTOW are actually rebelling against two different things: 1) A society they think privileges women more than men in virtually all institutions; and 2) bad guys like pickup artists and ladies’ men who portray excess, toxic masculinity.

Yes. 2. No. PUAs desperately need pussy validation. We don't.

Thomas Ball exemplifies this statistic. In June 2011, the 58-year-old New Hampshire man set himself on fire on the courthouse steps because he was “done being bullied for being a man” by the family court.

Another victim of the matriarchy.

Some have noted a certain irony in the fact that MGTOW’s methodology is similar to what feminists have been doing for 50 years.

Bullshit. MGTOW do their own thing, feminists gather in the street, screech at people, claim victimhood, get bullshit degrees, then run home to collect disability checks.

“It suggests that MGTOW is advocating for more than just a retreat from relationships with women; they’re advocating for a particular kind of masculinity that’s totally different from any other masculinities that have been influential in American history. The most obvious counterexample would be the caretaking masculinity: I’m going to be a breadwinner and take care of my family. Or: I’m going to be a patriotic leader for my country. They reject and withdraw from even the most familiar archetypes of American masculinity.”

More like the old school frontiersman and trappers and explorers who go out alone in the wilderness and make their own rules, accountable only to themselves.

lostapwbm · 2016-10-18T19:02:28+00:00

A few weeks ago, I reached out to the moderator of the primary site devoted to Men Going Their Own Way — a man known as the “Keymaster” — for comment on a recent story about man caves. I assumed a community within the online manosphere dedicated to “preserving a man’s sovereignty at all cost” would be fond of any kind of masculine refuge.

This story is republished from MEL Magazine. MEL aims to challenge, inspire and encourage readers to drop any preconceived notions of who they’re supposed to be.

I was wrong.

“Bullshit,” the Keymaster told me by phone. “The whole man-cave concept is shunned by MGTOW because the idea is that your wife gives you permission to make one room in the house — the basement — your own. It’s condescending. The man cave makes a mockery out of itself. Like Al Bundy, or one of those unfortunate television-dad morons who apologize to their wives for everything. Those guys need a man cave.”

MGTOW (pronounced “MIG-tau,” at least per everyone I spoke with) is a worldwide social phenomenon and online community of heterosexual men who have chosen a lifestyle that avoids legal and romantic entanglements with women at all costs. A Man Going His Own Way values self-ownership above all else, believing that he — and only he — has the right to decide what his goals in life should be. He refuses to surrender his will to the social expectations of women and society since he believes both have become hostile toward him.

Hmmm. No shaming? No mockery? Bold strategy, Cotton.

Some MGTOW make a pledge of celibacy. (“Cut off the dick supply and raise awareness against the millions of chicks that use men and disrespect our natural role.”) Some engage in sex with prostitutes exclusively. (“The only honest women.”) Others sleep with tons of women; they’ll just never marry them. (“Even if a man has only three lovers in his entire life, he is getting more than his own grandfather — who had to marry her first.”)

The media has tended to cover MGTOW by mocking them. For example,VICE’s profile last year, entitled “This Group of Straight Men Is Swearing Off Women,” featured a photo of a fat guy in a homemade MGTOW superhero costume, protesting outside a feminist conference, carrying a placard reading “FEMINISM IS A REFUGE FOR WOMAN’S SEXUAL FAILURE.”

I just want to point out that the fat eunuch in the trash-bag costume (shame he didn't have enough left to put over his nose and mouth) was attempting to mock MGTOW, not support it.

Most MGTOW will tell you it’s more of a philosophy than a movement, punctuated with a serious helping of ZFG (“zero fucks given”). MGTOW are unapologetically selfish and, unlike men’s rights activists, aren’t looking to change the status quo, but instead trying to opt out of marriage, fatherhood, cohabitation and/or whatever else society expects of them — like a flock of indifferent ostriches.

If I am not for myself who is for me? And being for my own self, what am 'I'?

It’s not hard to draw parallels between MGTOW and the Trump phenomenon:

Oh, for fuck's sake!

In both cases, men are yearning for a time (in the past or in the future) when they come first, and they blame other groups for their perceived loss of status. Both types are highly suspicious of the media and take pleasure in assailing it. The response to my request for interviews ranged from skeptical disdain to “go fuck yourself.”

As the author pointed out above, we have no expectation of objective or evenhanded treatment from the media. Why should any of us give the corporate media free content to build their careers on while defaming us?

No thank you.

One of the things that makes MGTOW uniquely positioned for massive growth is their policy of “Disorganized Resistance,” a phenomenon where independent groups or people come to the same conclusions and/or actions against others based on shared philosophies. For instance: The Keymaster may lord over the MGTOW.com forums, but he has nothing to do with the wildly popular MGTOW subreddit; Spanish-language sites; independent blogs; and a seemingly infinite number of YouTube channels, Facebook pages and Instagram accounts.

Yep. If one goes down, there are a hundred others to replace it. You can kill a man, you can destroy a place, but you can't stop an idea.

Some have noted a certain irony in the fact that MGTOW’s methodology is similar to what feminists have been doing for 50 years. “The ‘migtow’ aversion to interacting with women has a less pleasant parallel to radical feminism,” wrote Matt Forney on Return of Kings. “In the 1970s, extremist feminists such as Andrea Dworkin argued for ‘political lesbianism,’ where feminists only had relationships with other women, regardless of their sexual orientation. Dworkin’s logic was that since men were oppressing women, feminists who dated men were literally fraternizing with the enemy. I wouldn’t be surprised if some ‘migtows’ start advocating ‘political homosexuality’ in the future.”

For that idiot cunt Forney who looks like Grimace's white cousin but alleges that he slays all of the pussy, and anyone else who wants to draw this phony parallel between Feminism and MGTOW, here's the one difference that blows it completely out of the water:

WE DON'T DEMAND THAT THE STATE DO ANYTHING TO YOU.

We don't have a Duluth-model. We aren't asking for quotas, or programs, or grants, or favoritism, or shortlists, or set-asides, or anything that inherently places women at a legal disadvantage comparative to men.

Our only request is that you stop fucking with us.

its_meKnightSwolaire · 2016-10-18T19:58:05+00:00

"Others sleep with tons of women; they’ll just never marry them."

yes!

DigitalScetis · 2016-10-18T20:24:06+00:00

This isn’t the only way MGTOW are tough to pin down, according to Sarah Diefendorf, a Ph.D. candidate in sociology and instructor at the University of Washington. She believes MGTOW are actually rebelling against two different things: 1) A society they think privileges women more than men in virtually all institutions; and 2) bad guys like pickup artists and ladies’ men who portray excess, toxic masculinity. “They somewhat brilliantly frame themselves as the overlooked good guys,” she explains. “Women, feminism and pickup artists are all the problems.” This way, Diefendorf says, they’re able to punt on having to unpack the many privileges that come with being a man in the U.S. today. Instead, they can say, “This isn’t me. I’m bowing out.”

Again, why is it so hard for academics to grasp that it is not about the women, AKA, not about themselves?

It is about US: the men who look into our own lives and find that what we want out of it is incompatible with what you academics would have of it.

If we lived in a society where women had no privileges, there would still be MGTOW. Why? Because it has happened before in times that were condemned for their "male privilege."

If we lived in a society with no "bad guys like pickup artists and ladies' men who portray excess, toxic masculinity," we would still have MGTOW. Why? Because it has happened before in much more sexually repressed societies than ours.

In fact, the more that I see MGTOW, the more that I realize that MGTOW, or something very close to it, has been a constant running feature in most societies, from the ancient world all the way through the modern period. What we see now is simply the "postmodern" version of what is a rather old, rather established set of truths regarding the nature of man and the nature of the world; you can live free or you can live chained to tyrants, bending you to their will by channeling your natural instincts to slavish ends.

We choose to be free. Like many men who go their own ways, I am not a number, I am a free man, and I will not be moved by those who offer me a shame sandwich and laugh at it, like some condescending Number 2.

hollybegin · 2016-10-18T21:19:14+00:00

I found the last three weeks I spent in the MGTOW Manosphere to be, for better or worse, reminiscent of 6th-grade recess — playful, petty and short-tempered. Make no mistake: These guys are bullies.

So staying in our little corners doing our things without bothering anybody or asking for anything is labeled "bullying" by a true genius in investigative journalism and asshole extraordinaire....Ok!

BruceJennerTesticles · 2016-10-18T22:01:10+00:00

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T0000009 · 2016-10-18T23:28:23+00:00

The idiots over in BP are having a blast again.. Hur de hur.... Muh Soginy!!

Personally, it's a decent piece and not to bad, sure there are the usual pitiful barbs thrown in to make us look bad and that's really all we will ever get on a good day so who gives a fuck what this fool has to say.

Call me whatever you like, I've made it crystal clear on any site I post that I'm mean and cruel and have no use for small minds. Call me a racist, a bigot, or whatever insult you want to, it will not ever change my mind because I'm not here to impress you!

I do what I do to help men, it's harsh and brutal, there is no cotton candy here. This old war machine has row after row of 32 pounders and a Black flag waving in the wind while i shatter the delusions you cling to with every bombardment.

Don't like it... fuck off!

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MGTOW PR: "Why Do These Straight Men Want Nothing to Do With Women?" (Somewhat Evenhanded)

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Because THIS PICTURE was not really of a "MGTOW" guy...

Because that's "modern journalism" -- aka create FAKE "news" event to support some sensationalistic bullshit "headline/narrative" they want to PUSH.

AKA the P A T I A R C H Y

ALL FORMS OF "masculinity" are now considered TOXIC.

That's not really an "academic" thing, it's more of a FEMALE thing.

Title	MGTOW PR: "Why Do These Straight Men Want Nothing to Do With Women?" (Somewhat Evenhanded)
Author	lostapwbm
Upvotes	19
Comments	19
Date	October 18, 2016 6:44 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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