Question about the approach of MGTOW

prime22 · 2015-08-04T01:16:16+00:00

I don't think you have any grasp on what MGTOW actually is.

2015-08-04T00:12:14+00:00

There will be attacks for those in the anger phase, sure.

But me? Love feminism. Means I don't have to follow tradcon ideology.

Women can keep their privileges - as long as I can do whatever I want. You can't put the shit back in the horse. And frankly, I don't want to.

AugmentedFury · 2015-08-04T03:42:31+00:00

You have absolutely no idea what MGTOW is.

pirate6728 · 2015-08-03T23:25:18+00:00

http://i.imgur.com/eK5aBhT.gif

thrownaway_MGTOW · 2015-08-04T01:58:57+00:00

ROTFLMAO

machine_language · 2015-08-04T04:27:14+00:00

we need to get rid of privilege on both sides of gender rather than just aggressively attack the other gender as inherently bad?

I agree with you, somewhat. But any objective measure of the situation shows that all of the privilege is in the hands of women.

So, let's have that calm intellectual discussion you were talking about, by starting with you reading this list.

https://mensresistance.wordpress.com/female-privilege-checklist/

(And don't dismiss the whole list on the basis of a few bad apples.)

2015-08-04T14:25:23+00:00

So why not approach this with a calm intellectual conversation

Can't have this when the other side would rather do anything BUT.

2015-08-04T16:07:17+00:00

So why not approach this with a calm intellectual conversation about how we need to get rid of privilege on both sides of gender rather than just aggressively attack the other gender as inherently bad?

We have and it didn't matter.

govt_took_my_baby · 2015-08-04T08:37:02+00:00

So why not approach this with a calm intellectual conversation about how we need to get rid of privilege on both sides of gender rather than just aggressively attack the other gender as inherently bad?

Oh, sweetie, just.... no. MGTOW isn't egalitarianism, it's not feminism for men, it's not men's rights. Now, run along and go play outside

2015-08-04T09:47:41+00:00

It's not hard to hate a group that hates you first. Feminists and women in general hate me; I can't blame them. I hate me too.

So why not approach this with a calm intellectual conversation about how we need to get rid of privilege on both sides of gender rather than just aggressively attack the other gender as inherently bad?

You're thinking that there isn't some separation from the anger stage and the other ones. There is. But you cannot get rid of the privilege; that's just how things work. Someone is on top; someone is on bottom. There is no way out of this kind of power dichotomy. That's why I say that the entire universe is wrong and should have never been allowed to exist. It's entire organization is bad; the very fabric of it is rooted in pain.

pirate6728 · 2015-08-04T11:18:11+00:00

It would be a lot easier to have a calm, intellectual conversation if the radical fems and their supporters weren't screaming so loud about how bad we men are. You can't have a rational discussion with people-- of either gender--- who are not rational.

2015-08-04T18:38:00+00:00

So why not approach this with a calm intellectual conversation about how we need to get rid of privilege on both sides

Good luck convincing feminist that they have privileges. Men don't really have privileges, unless you count stupid stuff like "people don't assume you throw like a girl".

edit: Just to warn you, this is how that conversation is going to go

failureToSend · 2015-08-05T17:27:41+00:00

MGTOW philosophy has never prescribed to the idea that females are inherently 'bad'. but rather that society has ignored, promoted and even reinforced negative behavior traits in females, and to a lesser extent, (bluepill) men. YouTube channels, etc that discuss MGTOW/TRP concepts are usually personal options, and yes, you'll hear and see a lot of gender hate from these folks.

But most of us live in a self centered consumer-based society that revolves around deception and lies: advertisements that flat out misrepresent what the actual product is, politicians/government officials that distort the truth, social standards built to serve a single section of the population (feminism), religions designed to extract your money and keep you in bondage, etc. The one thing that binds these social components together: LIES. And while these things have always exited within most cultures, western society takes it to a whole new level...and good, honest men are the collateral damage: that's why the suicide rate in the U.S vastly out numbers women (https://www.afsp.org/understanding-suicide/facts-and-figures), as many men continuously try and fail to live up to impossible, changing standards demanded by woman and society, not to mention the absolutely horrific depiction of the male gender by media outlets, in which all men are apparently moronic, sex obsessed, beer drinking morons.

MGTOW simply side-steps this. You live how you want, and do the things that you need. On your own time and standards. It's not an easy life style, especially at first, but it gets easier with time. You wanna go to school and become a basket weaver? Go for it. Perfectly happy working at a gas station? All good. Spend time in the gym so you can get more attention from females? That's on you.

2015-08-05T21:46:53+00:00

MGTOW isn't some civil rights movement demanding that needs be met at the end of the government's gun barrel. MGTOW is predicated on the premise that men DON'T need the government, and that women DO. That we are not oppressors because we have no power over the lives of anyone but ourselves.

We exercise this little power by rejecting sexual relationships and the abstraction of women as sexual animals. We demand women offer us something of value other than tits and ass. The reason we appear to hate women is because they absolutely fail at adding value to our lives when we stop wanting to fuck them.

I want true gender equality. I want women to have to work as hard as men do before receiving a scrap of positive feedback. I want true compassion between men and women, not one-sided and ritualistic mating dances.

If I believed that feminism actually wanted any of these things, I'd be a feminist. But all I see from feminists is the same Marxism I see from the rest of the world. Demands for pointless laws that equalize already equal wages. Demands for increasingly draconian measures that stifle the freedom of men to act according to their nature. Demands, demands, demands.

Fuck that. I refuse to fight evil with evil. I'll simply avoid the confrontation all together. MGTOW.

The1WhoCsAll · 2015-08-07T15:56:25+00:00

OP I understand what you mean, but here's the difference.

Feminism is taught and praised only in society. Most modern American women have not experienced the circumstances or societal norms that sparked the movement to begin with. It has become a blanket statement that whenever women feel their being treated unfairly (whether right or wrong), feminism is the answer. Feminist women demand certain treatment from men.

MGTOW is different. Most MGTOWs arrive there through personal trauma or self sacrifice. It's not like MGTOW can be openly discussed without ridicule. MGTOW doesn't demand women change and treat men a certain way. It teaches self-Reliance and satisfaction of self without the need for destructive societal customs.

It's interesting that MGTOW and Feminist are often dissatisfied with dating, marriage, gender roles, etc being imposed on them but cannot reach a common ground to find a solution.

Title	Question about the approach of MGTOW
Author	Dushara
Upvotes	0
Comments	19
Date	August 3, 2015 11:12 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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