I'd be more into MGTOW if it didn't seem so bitter and resentful.

HunterJJ · 2015-05-01T05:54:33+00:00

Some people on this forum are angry as hell and they end up coming off as bitter. There are a lot of experiences that come into play when it comes to these emotions though, no one is born hating women. A lot of the men you see posting here have been financially ruined by women or stabbed in the back more times than they can count, leading to the state of anger they are in.

There are however, some men who need to calm down, and no matter what has happened to them in the past they need to get over it and move on, or at least pull back a little. Example, I saw this post earlier, I'll leave the poster unnamed.

"Women are parasites, all of them are disgusting creatures with nothing to offer to society, we'd be better off without them all"

Now I'm all for men's rights, and I hate new generation "feminism" but comments like this are disgusting and counter intuitive.

Women might take advantage of men, but at the end of the day, women are people and women have done great things and are doing great things, they aren't parasites/worthless scum. Based on statistics, men have done more to advance society, but acting as if all women are ticks sucking our blood is wrong. There is a reason 44 women have won the Nobel Prize, it's because there are women out there who are doing things of worth with their lives, not to mention that without them we wouldn't survive.

I digress, and I admit that women are pretty shitty to men as a whole, but why are they such bad companions in this day/age? The reason why women are so shitty in terms of relationships comes down to two arguments. Nature or nurture.

1. Women are socialized to act in a destructive manner to both men and themselves (in the longrun) through the princess complex, the alpha fallacy, modern feminism, TV programs depicting men as buffoons, young women being coddled while boys are expected to "man up" etc.

2. Women are naturally "branch swingers" who will do whatever it takes to upgrade their mate as if he were a house or a car. This argument comes back to the idea that women, by evolutionary mandate, are looking for a provider even if they have millions of dollars in the bank. I'm hesitant to agree with this argument as people in general have the ability to suppress base urges.

If you ask me, it's a mixture of both. There is a base need to "upgrade" men and the way society has portrayed the male role has accentuated the biological urge to have the biggest caveman in the jungle. It's more of a social thing IMO, so blame society and fucking Disney, not women, they are socially programmed.

So if you're going to be angry, be angry at society. Hate the game, not the player.

And don't get mad at women, once you get mad at them you validate them. Don't validate them, ever. Only validate them in small increments, never fully, once you fully validate them, you're nothing. That's why marriage is a doomed action, it's the ultimate validation of self worth.

Sidenote, what's the alpha fallacy?

*The alpha fallacy is something I've witnessed, the guys who are the loudest and most obnoxious come off as the most confident i.e the "alphas" (at least in the eyes of women). Many of these men feel an insecure need to dominate conversations and social settings which highlights, to me at least, a high level of social insecurity. The long short of it is that the "alphas" that women see are really insecure lower tier men attempting to mask their low confidence levels. These are the PUAs and braggarts, not the actual top level men. Women essentially get duped by these men into thinking that they've found a stable confident/capable male and leader, only to find out that it's an act at some point, if the man actually stays for longer than a night that is.

Furthermore, the definition of alpha has changed in the eyes of most people. Alphas aren't the smoothest talkers or the most confident braggarts, they are the leaders of men. For fucks sake, Ron Paul is far more Alpha than the guy who benches 450 at your local Gold's Gym. Alphas can have great success or shitty success with women it doesn't connect. Success with women =/= male power tiers. Male power tiers display the hierarchy among men, not how much game you have with women.*

2015-05-01T06:03:06+00:00

There are a lot of different men in many different phases of understanding the nature of women. Some of them have been buying a lie their whole lives only to realize that women don't want so much of what they claim. I think it is understandable that these men have a phase where they tend to be loud and pissed off at all that they have sacrificed; only to be thrown under the bus for making the effort.
This is a personal choice and it doesn't matter to me at all what you chose. I would rather see fewer men enslaved, but you can chose that if you want and I won't lose any sleep over it; especially considering that you have been forewarned about what can (and often does) happen to men who roll that dice. It is your choice and your life. Not all MGTOW are in that anger phase, generally it is the first and most vehement. Some go on to try to understand female nature and why they have misunderstood so much while following the noble lie. Others simply are happy to develop themselves and enjoy their bachelor lives; naturally they are the most silent of all because they are busy; you know, enjoying their life. Additionally there is a wide range beyond my brief description of men who fall into the category of MGTOW. It boils down to honestly looking into yourself and asking yourself if you really think the juice is worth the squeeze. For me and for many others it is painfully-obviously not, especially considering the risks (which I expect you are aware of by this point). Lastly I advise you to remember that the content producers are not leaders, they are men sharing their one perspective. There are many of them who each have a unique view and none of them represent the entirety of the MGTOW phenomena by themselves.

ky_windage · 2015-05-01T06:39:06+00:00

The sheer amount of willpower that it takes to deny one's most basic desires because of everything externally imposed upon men is heartbreaking. Knowing what causes women and society to not allow men (however kind and nurturing they may be predisposed) to even be near a child without wild and baseless accusations will drive some mad. I've had lighthearted conversations with friends that cause me to have 1000 yard stare later when I ponder the implications of what people consider normal (white knights, traditionalism, female 'empowerment'). I can't even watch 3 commercials without being told my gender makes me an imbicile incapable of competing when paired with a woman.

Anger is the easiest motivator to (initially) drastically change the course of my life. Anger is temporary but can be steered towards productivity, awareness and broader forms of motivation. Some men who find MGTOW realize they've geared their entire life for a bluepill life they thought would be quiet and comfortable. The fact that we men NEED MGTOW is kinda fucked up since we weren't the specific individuals who created the social environment causing our exit from long term relationships. It's tough to come to terms with it all peacefully. Godspeed to anyone who chooses lvl 3 MGTOW and is content to do so.

Title	I'd be more into MGTOW if it didn't seem so bitter and resentful.
Author	Cilogy
Upvotes	4
Comments	3
Date	May 1, 2015 5:28 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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1. Women are socialized to act in a destructive manner to both men and themselves (in the longrun) through the princess complex, the alpha fallacy, modern feminism, TV programs depicting men as buffoons, young women being coddled while boys are expected to "man up" etc.