I see this line of reasoning a lot in the trp sub on here.

It's a logical fallacy though. Its a logical fallacy because certain people on there define success and by extension failure very narrowly.

They still put the woman on the pedestal and still define success in their lives and therefore they define their life in relation to others mainly woman.

A mgtow doesn't define success or failure in relation to another human being. Whether male or female it makes no difference to a mgtow. Each mgtow defines success in relation to themselves how they think how they feel internally.

This is hypocrisy because I could use the same argument. "you defined success as getting a woman and now you try to shame everyone else who doesn't define success the same way you do. You failed as a man because you need a woman in your life to feel successful."

If I posted this on trp I will be attacked.

That sub is great for self improvement. But they focus to much on woman woman woman all the time. It gets boring you know.

If a woman wants you she'll go after you. It takes no work or effort to get a woman that likes you.

It only takes work and effort if the woman doesn't like you or is unsure.

Trp says you are not a true man unsuccessful and a failure if you "give up" on the woman that doesn't even like you to begin with. And you need to do work and put effort into it so you can be a success.

This is the main hypocrisy I find in the red pill sub.

Just like the traditionalists of yester year that you are a failure if you don't put effort to get married. Your a failure if you don't put effort into getting fuck buddies girlfriends.

Both put woman first. Both are hogwash. Do what you like and don't shame others for not doing what you do. Thats mgtow to me.