Apparently, I can't afford my wife who is a SAHM.

User-31f64a4e · 2015-04-04T21:22:57+00:00

Overvaluation of Stay at Home Mother (SAHM) services - a long time feminist (and divorce court) trope. I call bullshit.

The national average weekly salary for a full-time nanny is $705. That’s $36,660 a year.

All the nannies I knew did more than child care; cleaning, shopping and errands, etc. But the author also adds those in separately, because he is dishonestly trying to make a point.

Personal shoppers on average run around $65 an hour.

Ridiculous. Aside from just having the nanny do it, why not just stop briefly at the store on the way home? Or taskrabbit.com, that is far less than $65/hour there.

Does your wife ever cook dinner? Prepare lunch? Prepare lunch beforehand for you to take with you to work? A personal chef, preparing 2 servings of 5 meals can run from $400 and up.

Right. Like she's Mario Battaglia and Emeril Lagasse all rolled in to one. Breaking knews: the modern woman is less capable than a typical line cook, let alone chef. And that sammich she packed for you to take to work ... what does that have to do with Chef? Did she go all Jamie Oliver on that? Because clearly this dude can't afford to just toss all his leftovers, he must be eating them. When you eat a doggy bag from a restaurant, do you have to phone them your credit card for a second payment, or are your numbers here inflated?

So far we’re looking at a grand total of $67,860!

Because smoke and mirrors is what we're looking at, not reality.

If your wife takes care of your budgeting, finances, and paying of bills, then add on $15 an hour for the average rate of a financial assistant

OK, maybe $7.50 a month, you've got me there. If you delegate your finances, that is.

If you’re in the corporate world and your wife plays any kind of role in professional interactions at business dinners, then add on $75 an hour for the average rate of a PR assistant.

If we're playing this game, I am going to take back the $50 she owes for the free meal and entertainment, and pro-rate the ludicrous chef charge above. Also, she better fucking look as good as a for hire PR assistant. And this is a very white collar charge; I don't know any roofers, appliance repair men or roughnecks who need to do social shit with their employers, aside from maybe stopping at a bar on the way home from work.

If your wife does the majority of the laundry, then you’ll need to add at least a fee of $25 a week for the bare minimum washer/dryer personal service.

How about impersonal service? How about just dropping shit off at the cleaners? How about taskrabbit. This is just silly.

And let’s remember, there’s no sick leave with childcare, there’s no paid time off, there’s no 401(k). All of the incentives that someone who makes over 70K a year would normally enjoy are not part of this deal.

Right. So you pay benefits for a personal shopper, house cleaning service, nanny or the chef at a restaurant you visit? No chief, it's rolled up into the cost, just one of many reasons this whole article is an exercise in phony math.

And I’ve tragically failed to show my wife the appreciation that she deserves. She loves me, loves our son, and loves our family, so obviously she isn’t doing any of those things for a paycheck or even for recognition.

You, sir, are a mangina.

But it certainly doesn’t hurt to know that as a Stay-At-Home Mom her appraised salary is nearly double my actual income.

Only if you use Enron style accounting.

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The comparison of a SAHM's services to best-in-class professional services marketing exclusively to rich people is ... bullshit.

Women can stay at home or not. Frankly idgaf what yours does, if you have a woman (because this is /r/mgtow, right?). But this valuation of the deal is just ludicrous, and I had to pipe up.

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I will also note that when I pay for a service - car repair, lawn maintenance, cleaning, restaurant meal, whatever - then I am done. But with a SAHM, if she quits her job, you have to keep on paying her for NO services rendered. So that bit about no 401(k) isn't valid, because your SAHM can have a retirement any time she wants to pull the trigger - which is at least at 50-50 proposition.

thrownaway_MGTOW · 2015-04-05T18:08:06+00:00

There's a simple way to slice through all of the (steaming pile of) bullshit present in articles like this...

First is to realize that PAID work -- wages -- for employee/servants are always taxed. They are subject (in the US) to a 15% payroll tax; plus additional "income" taxes, as well as various other "taxes" that are hidden/embedded (benefits, unemployment insurance, licensing costs, and so on). None of that applies to a SAHM.
Second is to recognize that employees receive no "payment in kind" -- their wages need to cover the provision of separate residence, with separate utilities, as well as commuting/travel, food, and other costs. Again virtually none of that applies to a SAHM (who is ostensibly occupying the same bed/bedroom with the "hubby" in the equation).
Third is to realize that there is nearly always some 3rd party involved -- some business entity either as employer or agency -- and that entity not only demands it's own "profits", but it's "cut" of the fees charged (to not only cover the profit margin, the worker's wages, but also various "administration" and overhead costs) is often quite substantial, and in some cases the majority of the fees... and moreover yet again, NONE of which has any reason to be present with a SAHM.
Finally, understand that virtually NO ONE does any kind of calculation like this with their OWN household chores -- if they did, then the vast majority of people could "not afford" to pay themselves to clean or eat or live in their own house -- an obvious absurdity. Besides, if he is going to calculate her "wages" on a professional basis, then he should also be deducting her Rent (i.e. what she would be paying for the "home" she and HER children get to live in), as well as her Utilities, the Food to feed her (and HER children) should be billed to her at the prices she would be charged if it were ordered/served in a restaurant (because if she's being paid as a waitress/cook, then she's already been compensated for that -- the food ain't "free"), her own use of the washer/dryer at the rates per item of a formal professional cleaning service, and so on... add all those things up, and I rather doubt she's going to end up with much left over on the net balance.

But again, that would be "absurd", which is the point: the entire construct is absurd, it is RIDDLED with and BASED upon fallacious reasoning.

One may as well reason that say the "price of a single 'shot' of sperm" is or should be equal to the total cost of raising a male child from infancy to (at least) puberty if not to maturity at age 18+ ... but that would be no less absurd.

SCROTAL-SACK · 2015-04-05T07:53:54+00:00

ugh... watch this get posted by every SAHM and even every welfare sucking single mother on facebook (thank god I dont have that anymore). As if they needed more patting on the back, even though this entire article is bs.

thrownaway_MGTOW · 2015-04-06T04:58:29+00:00

Haha, the comments are great. Stupid, lazy housewives that feel validated as fuck. The author did an excellent job at pandering. They apparently have more than enough time to read this article and comment despite all the time they have to invest into watching daily soaps, browsing facebook and massacering their husband's credit card with compulsive shopping.

Title	Apparently, I can't afford my wife who is a SAHM.
Author	pineapples1987
Upvotes	4
Comments	13
Date	April 2, 2015 4:04 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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