Doubts?

DigitalScetis · 2016-06-10T00:17:30+00:00

Nice to know how you really think, I suppose.

Here's what I really think...

I think you are really obsessed with what is a "winner" and "loser" in life; I think this has fueled a lot of your ambition, but it is also the thing that is making you--even you--not go your own way as fully as perhaps you could.

Because if #3 has any flaw that equals #1 and #2, it's that they think the goals, the experiences, the money and the women will make them find themselves when, in truth, they get further away from themselves.

On my deathbed, I am not going to think about the sexual conquests I had. In fact, I'd have to say that I've forgotten about them within a year.

I am going to think about the time when I was unemployed as an adult man, living in my parents' house, hanging out with my father for a couple of years while my mother was away.

I got to know him better in those two years than I ever got to know him. The conversations we had, the experiences we shared sitting in the living room watching TV, will stay with me forever. I am glad we had that time.

Yeah, I was bothered and in a bad state back then; no money, no job, no game, no health. Experiences like climbing mountains and jumping out of airplanes? Pfft...back then talking a walk out to Burger King to get some breakfast was as much "adventure" as I needed. In fact, any more adventure would have made me a lot less happier.

If you think any of that is going to matter to you, the adventures over nothing, the "life experiences," "23yo Dutch girl" and all that, then it shows me that the "#3 MGTOWs," those "adult men (let’s say 30yo upwards) who are attractive, confident and successful and have a broad range of experience with women, relationships and sex overall" have a lot of delusion going on with them as well.

And the delusion is this: that somehow (and you admit it yourself), they are never really comfortable with who they are. They always think that, if they just put in enough effort, they'll get the happiness that they will always think will make them "complete".

It's a redpill mentality that you find at TRP and such which I call "the superego injunction to be productive," and it is probably one of those last, worst aspects of gynocentrism that grates on men's souls.

The #1 MGTOW doesn't suffer from this so much; he's already seen that the most important things are in the little stuff that he had back when life was innocent. So he grouses a bit on the forums about women, who cares? At least he's not constantly nagged by that voice inside his head that says, "I might be a loser, so I'd better do something about it while I can."

The #2 can fall into it; most of his frustrations come from the inability to ever "do enough", of what he "ought to be doing," like "why can't I be out at the club banging chicks on Saturday night and I'm stuck playing Minecraft instead?" to which I say, "playing Minecraft all night Saturday? That's awesome that you have the ability to do that, how cool!"

Men need to learn to be comfortable in their own skin; in that I agree with you. But I don't think for one moment that the #3 MGTOWs, the ones who have all those traits of worldly success, the "attractive, confident and successful and have a broad range of experience with women, relationships and sex overall" MGTOWs, have a leg up on this one.

In a lot of ways, it's those key traits that gain them external validation with relative ease that really get in the way of finding peace with who and what they are.

That, to me, is the "hidden doubt" I see in that blog post, that "Yet, with all this knowledge that I have… somehow I still feel incomplete."

Perhaps that's why you felt the need to lash out at the folks who don't need to buy yachts and have sex with 23 year old Danish girls to feel "complete," but can get by on a six pack of beer, Overwatch on PS4, and a grouse or two on r/MGTOW.

Because they demonstrate that they have achieved an inner peace with themselves that you, it seems, have yet to discover. But rather than say "good for them!," you say "A normal healthy man cannot avoid" getting all worked up about scoring with women, and "He would not want to avoid" doing that, unless he was just (as if we haven't heard it 1000 times from Rooshies, Elamites, and Clareyists already) "the biggest beta-blue-piller-manginas" or "who are either still a virgins or had their first few experiences with females which didn’t exactly went the way they thought it will."

Now you can call them what you want. Lord knows I have to put out redpill ragefests and stupid theories about sex and women here daily. But at least they do not feel "incomplete" as you put it, when they do the things they want to do.

Normal, healthy men can cut women, dating, sex and everything else out of their lives, and normal, healthy men really can want to cut the relationship thing out of their lives. In fact, I think it is about as healthy of a thing a man can do in this environment.

But whatever I think is inconsequential; you don't think that its healthy or sane. And so, you'll pursue it, build your self-esteem around doing it well, and spend a lot of energy spinning plates and such. Spin away, I say.

But if you think that you'll be thinking about all the pussy you scored on your deathbed, that's not how I think it'll turn out. A guy like you is so driven, so burdened by the need to be productive, that you'll probably be on your death bed obsessing over what you could have done to score with the one girl you didn't bang, over the scores of girls you did.

That just seems like how guys like that roll, from what I've seen.

Morranaii · 2016-06-09T12:50:29+00:00

your view on different MGTOW levels is curious but I doubt it will find popularity among people here ;)

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Title	Doubts?
Author	Datson_Horrenbrand
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Comments	5
Date	June 9, 2016 12:42 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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