There used to be a time when men were so preoccupied with surviving, honing their trade, and living life with a purpose. Men had no time to talk about women, and try to figure out why they do or want. Frankly, it didn't even matter what they thought and said, because society was intact enough that the men only gave a fuck about what mattered. Now, we are indoctrinated from a young age that the ultimate goal is "winning the hearts of women", raising a family and bullshit like that. Its romanticized to a huge degree to be a simp, while back then women and family just used to be one thing in society that you had to be part of for overall benefit. The rejects of society were rejected because they decided to pursue pleasure from women and other useless shit instead of working the job, making money, and becoming a better version of yourself. This is what happens when you let people who shouldn't be in power, be in power. It brings society to a halt, and eventually a decline. We have nothing to do, nothing to look forward too, so we look for fulfillment from the only thing the government and corporations says can give your life meaning, fucking women. GYOW and never look back. The pleasures and pains of life are temporary, MGTOW is forever.