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MODERATION

AlphaMartian16 · 2020-12-16T17:37:56+00:00

To be honest, it seems that all the "feminist vs anti-feminist" is simply a great example of how MODERATION is important. People need to learn that...

AlphaMartian16

December 16, 2020

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Title	MODERATION
Author	AlphaMartian16
Upvotes	4
Comments	16
Date	December 16, 2020 5:37 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/AntiFeminists
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/kedqiw/moderation/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/AntiFeminists/moderation.769957 https://theredarchive.com/post/769957

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[–]ignaciocordoba44 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]sailee12 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (18 children) | Copy Link

By definition, it is an opinion. No statistics back up what you say, therefore it carries no weight. All you did was present a logical fallacy at best. Provide me with real scientific or sociology research... or statistics.. from reliable sources. Then, maybe, it can carry weight. Until then, you spew nothing but unreliable information and opinions :P

And no.. you seem to lack understanding of the meaning of equality. In simpler terms: if someone has more than you, and you wish for equality, you wish to be as equal as that person. Also, you are mistaken. Feminists were the ones advocating for men to be included:

• overturned laws that discriminated against men. • helped advocate for single men: Moritz v. Commissioner - ending this discriminatory policy that came from this case • advocated for men to be included in the definition of rape. Feminists triggered the FBI for men to be included in the definition of rape.

And tons more. So, just because you’re ignorant.. doesn’t mean you are correct. You just are willfully ignorant and choose not to do research. That sounds like a personal preference of yours.

[–]VestigialHead 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (17 children) | Copy Link

[–]sailee12 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Provide me with the evidence from sociology research.. scientific research.. statistics. Then you carry weight. Until you can provide those from reliable sources.. you will always lose every argument on this topic. Provide it, then we can have a discussion. I will wait. I’ve gave you several chances to provide this. What you are providing are generalizations from your (biased) own viewpoint. You also only lived one life.

In the discussion of responsibility, it’s funny you mention that. Statistically speaking, women take more responsibility on than men . (In work, family life, in general). It’s weird that you think having rights has negatives. LOL the only negatives are that legislation alone does not stop discrimination. You’re an example of it.

Not sure what your fixation is on arguing with facts

Feminism is needed because women are not yet equal...

Quote: “I am not free while any woman is unfree, even when her shackles are very different from my own.” - Audre Lorde

Since you’re interested in the US, let’s focus on the US: * 1 in 4 women and 1 in 9 men experience severe intimate partner physical violence [NCADV] * 80% of violent crimes are committed by men. [NCADV] * 1 in 7 women and 1 in 18 men have been stalked by an intimate partner during their lifetime to the point in which they felt very fearful or believed that they or someone close to them would be harmed or killed. [NCADV] * 1 in 5 women and 1 in 71 men in the United States has been raped in their lifetime. [NCADV] * 19.3 million women and 5.1 million men in the United States have been stalked in their lifetime. [NCADV] * 72% of all murder-suicides involve an intimate partner; 94% of the victims of these murder suicides are female. [NCADV] * When the Equal Pay Act was signed in 1963, the amount women were paid was 59 cents for every 1 dollar men were paid. Since then the wage gap has narrowed to .82 cents for every 1 dollar men are paid. This gap costs the average full time woman worker in the US between $700,000 to $2,000,000 over the course of her life. At this pace, it will take another 50 years to reach pay equity. [social justice research center] * In 2020 the U.S. ranked 53rd in the World Economic Forum Gender Gap Index. (The top 5 countries are: Iceland, Norway, Finland, Sweden and Ireland). [social justice research center] * 50% of the gender wage gap is due to women working in different occupations and sectors than men. Improving women’s access to good middle-skill jobs can help close the wage gap and improve women’s economic security [institute for women’s policy research] * Women in the U.S. consistently turn out to vote at higher rates than men. But they are significantly underrepresented as policy makers in government – particularly in the South. [bread for the world] * American women have been hit harder by pandemic related job losses than men [bureau and labor statistics data] * There is also a gender gap in these views, with 64% of women – compared with 49% of men – saying the country hasn’t gone far enough in giving women equal rights with men. (So, these men would disagree with you 49%) [Pew research center] * * A majority of Americans say feminism has had a positive impact on the lives of white, Black and Hispanic women. About six-in-ten or more U.S. adults say feminism has helped the lives of white (64%), Black (61%) and Hispanic (58%) women at least a little. But more say feminism helped white women a lot (32%) than say it’s done the same for Black (21%) or Hispanic (15%) women. About a quarter (24%) say feminism has helped wealthy women a lot; just 10% say it’s been equally helpful to poor women. [pew research center] * Gender discrimination and sexual harassment in the workplace: women are still facing it in higher rates than men

Here’s some global 2020 statistics for you: * While unpaid domestic and care work has intensified for both men and women during the COVID-19 pandemic, women continue to do the lion’s share. On an average day, women globally spend about three times as many hours on unpaid domestic and care work as men (4.2 hours compared to 1.7). This lopsided distribution of unpaid domestic and care work prevents women from participating in the labour market. In 2020, only 47% of women of working age participated in the labour market, compared to 74% of men – a gender gap that has remained relatively constant since 1995. [United Nations] * In terms of power and decision making, women held only 28% of managerial positions globally in 2019 – almost the same proportion as in 1995. And only 18% of enterprises surveyed had a female Chief Executive Officer in 2020. Among Fortune 500 corporations only 7.4%, or 37 Chief Executive Officers, were women. In political life, while women’s representation in parliament has more than doubled globally, it has still not crossed the barrier of 25% of parliamentary seats in 2020. Women’s representation among cabinet ministers has quadrupled over the last 25 years, yet remains well below parity at 22%. [UN] * Violence against women: Around one third of women worldwide have experienced physical and/or sexual violence by an intimate partner; and 18% have experienced such violence in the past 12 months. In the most extreme cases, violence against women is lethal: globally, an estimated 137 women are killed by their intimate partner or a family member every day. [UN] * Female genital Mutilation (FGM) * Only 6 countries give women the same legal rights as men: Belgium, Denmark, France, Latvia, Luxembourg and Sweden. [social justice research center] * 120 million girls around the world have experience sexual violence. 10% of girls under age 20 has been forced into sexual acts. They are also at higher risk for domestic violence and exploitation in the sex trade. [world health organization] * Frontline workers are overwhelmingly majority women. * A Century After Women Gained the Right To Vote, Majority of Americans See Work To Do on Gender Equality: About three-in-ten men say women’s gains have come at the expense of men. (This is where you guys fit in lol). From this pew research: A hundred years after the 19th Amendment was ratified, about half of Americans say granting women the right to vote has been the most important milestone in advancing the position of women in the country. Still, a majority of U.S. adults say the country hasn’t gone far enough when it comes to giving women equal rights with men, even as a large share thinks there has been progress in the last decade, according to a new Pew Research Center survey.

LINKS:

UNSD — Demographic and Social Statistics

The World’s Women 2020: Trends and Statistics | United Nations

https://ncadv.org/STATISTICS

https://socialjusticeresourcecenter.org/facts-and-figures/gender-inequality/

Institute for Women’s Policy Research

2011 Stanford study: https://inequality.stanford.edu/publications/20-facts-about-us-inequality-everyone-should-know

https://inequality.org/facts/

Pew research center social trends: A Century After Women Gained the Right To Vote, Majority of Americans See Work To Do on Gender Equality | Pew Research Center (this is research on how society views gender equality and where you fit in. This would be of the most interest for you.)

Ignoring statistics, sociology, etc. does not make you more intelligent. It makes you ignorant and more likely to seek confirmation bias.. which is exactly why you are on this Reddit thread. You’re still wrong and will always be wrong. You just now have a place for you to all be wrong.. together 💜 good luck.

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