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Do you think first wave feminism was just as misandric and hateful as the feminism of today?

juanp2350

November 19, 2020
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Title Do you think first wave feminism was just as misandric and hateful as the feminism of today?
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juanp2350

Upvotes 3
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Date November 19, 2020 8:43 PM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/AntiFeminists
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/jxau6r/do_you_think_first_wave_feminism_was_just_as/
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[–]CoolDEpot 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

No but it shouldve just focused on everyones rights as a whole right form the get go instead of only on womens.

[–]NightDemolishr 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

You do know first wave feminism was around in a time where, women were severely disadvantaged, and was focused on the right to work and the right to vote. Men had those rights.

[–]CoolDEpot 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think thats feminism propaganda bs, men had plenty of issues on their own as well and still have them today there was no need or justification to only focus on women we need human rights as a whole not sexist garbage.

[–]NightDemolishr 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I completely agree, yet those were core issues of first wave feminism. Those rights were severely lacked for women. They didn't care about human rights. They cared about giving people the right to vote and access to jobs. This was a time we're women were literally at the mercy of there husbands. This made it so they weren't and were less likely to stay with abusive partners.

[–]CoolDEpot 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nonono they didnt care about ''people'', they care exclusively about women.

That was a time were gender roles were a real and importnat part of society, you are thinking of the past with the modern mentality and thats wrong way to think about the past.

So for example sure a women couldnt be the boss of a company, but you also wouldnt see women working to death in the coal mines.

Society wasnt organized around ''rights'' like it is today, it was around roles, and men had the most deadly dangeours nasty and horrible roles by far while women live a more strict limited life yes, but also more confortable and safe.

Women lacked ''rights'' but had gigantic advantage when it came to roles. But feminism never acknowlodges any of this in any way shape or form.

A very ilustrative example is a post i saw a few days ago saying that more adult women were saved in life boats in the Titanic than male children.

[–]juanp2350[S] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Men had those rights

Yeah, at the expense of the vote not being behind closed doors and getting the shit beaten outta them if they didn't vote for whom they were supposed to vote, and men could vote because they earned that right by doing the hard jobs like going to war or working in mines, and each man who voted basically voted in the name of his family so it made sense

Also, men gained the right to vote just like 60 years before women so it isn't like they had that right for all of history, before that just the upper class had that kind of power

And after all that, I wouldn't say women were disadvantaged at all, men were sent to die in wars and dangerous jobs TO PROVIDE WOMEN, while women stayed safe in home

[–]NightDemolishr 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Women didn't have the choice to not stay at home.

They had to and a lot of women didn't want their husband to be the sole provider or wanted to work themselves. Also, you are acting as if women if had done the jobs they weren't allowed to do could have earned themselves the right to vote.

On top of this, your point about he voted in the name of the family means women who didn't want families or widowed women wouldn't have a say as there were no men to vote for them.

Women literally couldn't open bank accounts back when first-wave feminism was around. They literally had to be married to live basically.

Both men and women were disadvantaged in different ways.

Men were disadvantaged as they were seen as labour, being forced to work and casualties. Women were disadvantaged as being treated like a house worker and a slave.

This is also ignoring many other issues that plague men and women which affect BOTH genders

Edit: Grammar and Formatting

[–]Pingayaso 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not AS misandrist and toxic but still sexist af.

[–]Advanced-yougurt2 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The second wave was more hostile than the third

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