Hi! I am intrigued by this movement, but not sure whether to fully support it or not. Now please keep in mind that I am viewing this movement from the outsider POV. If there is any misinformation I may have said, please tell me. I don't want to misinterpret MGTOW.
Another disclaimer, I do understand MGTOW ideology, but its never a bad thing to get the perspective from someone on the outside on how MGTOW can be seen. Doesn't mean I am saying that's what MGTOW believes, just how it looks like what MGTOW believes.
Positive opinions:
I agree that modern society has put a favor on woman. I mean the incident with Amber Heard and Johnny Depp is a great example. When it was known Johnny Depp to be the "abuser" , he was cancelled and his reputation was basically ruined. When Amber Heard was found to be the true abuser, people were more quiet about it. Now in this case Johnny Depp did get some people standing up to him even from the far left (I am basing this information on my personal experience with far leftists), but imagine some random Joe that has no status and average looks, he wouldn't have a chance. That is the sad reality of today's society.
I also agree that modern woman expect too much. I am what you would call a "modern" woman since I am career driven, but I have recognize that as something that does devalue me since most men want someone to stay home and take care of the children and keep the house clean. I don't think it's a bad thing to recognize the sacrifices one has to make for certain life choices. I do want to get married and have kids, but its ridiculous to expect the husband I have to make more money than me. If he makes more, he probably works more and there is no one to care for the kids anymore. Modern woman expect to be the breadwinners but still want their husbands to make more than them! Now I am not saying there wasn't a time I wasn't the same. I used to have these high standards, but my value isn't that great. I mean yes, I can be considered pretty, but beauty is temporary. I think lots of woman rely on it too much which makes them end up with the jerks that leave them with their first kid.
Those previous points were a few of things I heard MGTOW men talk about, but here is my positive opinions on the actual movement. If you have been treated badly in relationships in the past, then yes I totally understand why you wouldn't want to date anymore but instead work on yourself. I am all for self improvement so if a man refuses to date to be successful I say, go for it! There is no harm. Plus, I also love the support you guys seem to give each other, it's a neat community. I can see the good this movement does and that's why I do want to support it but there are things holding me back...
Negative Opinions:
Now just another disclaimer, if I get something wrong here please explain to me. I am basing from outside observations so please forgive me if I am incorrect.
I don't agree a man is lesser or "beta" if he takes on the traditional woman roles while the woman takes the traditional man roles. I think as long as its an equal distribution of roles in the marriage or relationship, it should be fine. For example, the woman can work long hours while the husband does the house chores and taking care of the kids. If that makes them happy, and it works for them I think it should be celebrated. Especially with the high divorce rates now a days.
Even if they aren't targeted towards people like me, seeing "all woman are abusive" or "all woman are trash" is a bit of a turn off. I mean its the reason I don't like feminism since they push that narrative about men. That might be more nitpicky and maybe it's not all of you, but there are enough of you saying that to turn me away. Also, some say there is a small percentage of woman who aren't like the woman they describe, but to me its not that they're ultra rare, they're just uncommon.
If you had multiple failed relationships, you might also be the problem. Now if it was one of two woman in your life who were abusive, I'd understand. Unfortunately, I hear a lot of MGTOW men say like 5-6 sometimes double digits even (those are more rare though). In those cases, I have to wonder if it's truly that all women are bad. I always wonder the same thing about woman I know who blame all men for being bad because they had multiple failed relationships...most of the time the woman had some contribution to the fall of their relationships. I can imagine it being same for the men too who say these things.
Your community has been overtaken by incels. I am not calling what I interpret actual MGTOW men to be incels. I am talking about the ones who say woman suck because they have been rejected a lot. I've met some lovely MGTOW people, but I also met some ones that can be known as incels. It makes sense why they would flock to such a community, but I think its them that ruin the image of MGTOW.
Thank you for reading such a long post! I hope we can have great discussions because of this post and I would really love to hear your guys' thoughts on what I said or any corrections in my thinking I need to make.
