Hey everyone, I heard quite a lot about Mgtow but dismissed it right away cuz I saw them as just crybabies and weak, I am very familiar with the red pill though, read all of tomassi's books.

I stumbled upon TFM recently, and I just DEVOURED his channel, it was so fascinating, he changed how I view mgtow completely. I do have some issues with the idea's he presents, But the thing that bothered me most, is that when I looked for a MGTOW communities, I mostly found that they're rampant in straight women bashing, self loathing, victim mindset, one sided arguments and dumb low level humor.

I know a lot of men have been burned and they want to vent out, but I saw almost nothing but that, it clearly showed me why my initial impression of mgtow was what it was,

So where are the more developed mgtows? Those who value growth and intellect like TFM instead of constant women bashing?, which ironically, is what the feminists do to mgtow.