Honestly? Expecting women to speak out against it isn't going to happen. It's like asking rich people to regulate themselves. WE need to keep pushing back against it. WE need to get more vocal about it. WE need to stop being afraid of telling people about it.
But remember, when we get louder we need to stay objective. Otherwise our movement (or at least a subsection) will become a mirror of what feminism is today. And we shouldn't become too emotional either. Clear headed and logical reasoning may see us through the thick fog of societal misandry and male discrimination.
I think if we let women speak out against it, it'll only prove their point further anyways. We have ti be the strong men we are, it isnt a thing of that past and shouldn't be
Definitely agree with your last points but not with you assertion that women won’t speak out. They will and they do, prominent feminists may not, but they are not representative of all women. Men need to get practical and look at what women can do to help men. Very small example but I see on here a lot of men have a problem with women not opening doors and men having to pay for food. When I do open doors for men they often still try and get me to go through first. When I offer to pay it’s appreciated probably but politely refused. When I’m carrying something heavy at work it’s damn near ripped out of my hand by a man wanting to help. I’m not complaining, these benefit me, but it makes it hard to actually know what to do. Same with asking the men in their life if they’re ok or need help, it’s so ingrained in so many of us that men are independent and strong and don’t need help especially from women that it’s not a simple thing to change
Definitely agree with your last points but not with you assertion that women won’t speak out. They will and they do, prominent feminists may not, but they are not representative of all women.
The authentic are more than welcome but they are a very low % of women.
Very small example but I see on here a lot of men have a problem with women not opening doors and men having to pay for food. When I do open doors for men they often still try and get me to go through first. When I offer to pay it’s appreciated probably but politely refused. When I’m carrying something heavy at work it’s damn near ripped out of my hand by a man wanting to help. I’m not complaining, these benefit me, but it makes it hard to actually know what to do.
I think all men really just want traditional gender roles back but are to afraid to ask for it (that is why in practice they reject these things). So they end up saying they want equal but really they want the genders to work together again instead of competing.
Same with asking the men in their life if they’re ok or need help, it’s so ingrained in so many of us that men are independent and strong and don’t need help especially from women that it’s not a simple thing to change
Every single man has had a woman get disgusted with him for asking for help. A lot with their own mothers. I'm definitely in the minority in this opinion but i think this part is completely hopeless and we just need male only spaces so we can talk to our "bros" again rather than expecting women to care.
That sub is the stupidest thing, people will agree with an opinion, even if they actually disagree with it, just for it to get removed because it was "popular"
It's my personal opinion that the pendulum is going to swing back around again in 5-10 years. Hopefully this time it stays in the middle, or close to the middle.
The pendulum will keep swinging. But the overall trend might be in the right direction, just like an overall rising economy might oscillate on the way up.
Yes but that involves a successful civil rigth movement which means mra are going to have do something in the real word no just on the internet, long story short it never going to happen
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Honestly? Expecting women to speak out against it isn't going to happen. It's like asking rich people to regulate themselves. WE need to keep pushing back against it. WE need to get more vocal about it. WE need to stop being afraid of telling people about it.
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^This. We need to be louder. We all must do what we can to push this cause into legitimacy.
[–]DepravedWalnut 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
But remember, when we get louder we need to stay objective. Otherwise our movement (or at least a subsection) will become a mirror of what feminism is today. And we shouldn't become too emotional either. Clear headed and logical reasoning may see us through the thick fog of societal misandry and male discrimination.
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Agreed. Don't let this be an excuse to think the air is clear.
Women will set the general social trend, though. These ideas will only become mainstream once the sisterhood approves it.
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Disagree, women follow the social trend, they're a reflection of it but they don't set it.
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I think if we let women speak out against it, it'll only prove their point further anyways. We have ti be the strong men we are, it isnt a thing of that past and shouldn't be
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I agree, if we let women drive the movement we are only playing their retarded identity political game.
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Definitely agree with your last points but not with you assertion that women won’t speak out. They will and they do, prominent feminists may not, but they are not representative of all women. Men need to get practical and look at what women can do to help men. Very small example but I see on here a lot of men have a problem with women not opening doors and men having to pay for food. When I do open doors for men they often still try and get me to go through first. When I offer to pay it’s appreciated probably but politely refused. When I’m carrying something heavy at work it’s damn near ripped out of my hand by a man wanting to help. I’m not complaining, these benefit me, but it makes it hard to actually know what to do. Same with asking the men in their life if they’re ok or need help, it’s so ingrained in so many of us that men are independent and strong and don’t need help especially from women that it’s not a simple thing to change
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The authentic are more than welcome but they are a very low % of women.
I think all men really just want traditional gender roles back but are to afraid to ask for it (that is why in practice they reject these things). So they end up saying they want equal but really they want the genders to work together again instead of competing.
Every single man has had a woman get disgusted with him for asking for help. A lot with their own mothers. I'm definitely in the minority in this opinion but i think this part is completely hopeless and we just need male only spaces so we can talk to our "bros" again rather than expecting women to care.
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Aaaaaaand big shock, it's been removed.
[–]kebabelele 13 points14 points15 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Isn't that automatic if 97% agree?
[–]Chill-BL 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
No it supposedly happens when an unpopular opinion has been deemed popular.
So the upvote/downvotes are whether people agree on the fact it's an unpopular opinion or not.
and then there is a second poll (through commenting) that decides if it's actually "unpopular or popular". which is generally bullshit.
Most unpopular opinions are opinions that generally aren't allowed on other mainstream subs and leftists circle jerk.
Most people outside those bubbles would definitely agree with this.
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Removing it though endorses it as a popular opinion.
[–]Edd_M 7 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That sub is the stupidest thing, people will agree with an opinion, even if they actually disagree with it, just for it to get removed because it was "popular"
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It's my personal opinion that the pendulum is going to swing back around again in 5-10 years. Hopefully this time it stays in the middle, or close to the middle.
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its a pendulum that keeps swinging back and forth, but with each swing, the scope zooms in a little smaller.
[–]asdjkljj 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The pendulum will keep swinging. But the overall trend might be in the right direction, just like an overall rising economy might oscillate on the way up.
[–]manbaby1769 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Classic lip service
[–]MissSally2010 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Way too little. Way too late.
[–]asdjkljj 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Culture might be shifting. Don't step off the gas now.
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Yes but that involves a successful civil rigth movement which means mra are going to have do something in the real word no just on the internet, long story short it never going to happen