Let's use this November to do something new...#NAWALTNovember. If women are seen as more important in social discourse, let's lend attention to those who care about men.

A way of repairing some of the divisiveness sown by feminism and bring awareness to men's issues. Highlighting not the women who deride and demonize men so much, but spotlight the women who care about men's issues and even make it their own fight.

Cassie Jaye, Honey Badgers, the list can go on a while if we search.

Nobody wants to hear a man "mansplain" it out, so just like early feminists we may need validation and affirmation from our counterparts for our voices to be made part of public discourse. I think this could catch on a little, or at least be a smaller spark to a larger fire. Especially during the month of Movember and Men's Day, showing where women do right by men and are trying to fight this uphill battle would be a nice little piece to further our advocacy.

I feel it could be an effective way to openly denounce feminism, by showing the contrast between dogmatic prejudice and compassion-driven people. So this November, to help put a foot down for men, post your women of NAWALTNovember on social media.

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[–]GreyTortoise[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

And that's exactly why NAWALTNovember could be a bullseye. They're downright malicious...the opposite of women we would be putting in the spotlight. We'd be taking attention away from them, those toxic women who thrive on self-centeredness and privilege, and instead highlight those who are compassionate and tenaciously supportive.

NAWALTNovember would be a one-two punch in one swing. Showcase the MRM's most palatable advocates and the general issues we aim to correct, and denounce the toxic misandry that rules feminism today. Those wretched zealots may even see themselves shrivel in the light of the women truly wanting good in the world. Contrasted to good-hearted counterparts, they would appear as the monsters they are and play us out to be.

I truly think this would be, if it got any momentum, an excellent way to create social change.

[–]grandmasbroach 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No offense, but you're living in fantasy land. How old are you? I'm not trying to be snarky here. I'm just getting the feeling you're still a bit new here and don't really understand how much some on the other side hate you simply for existing. They don't just dislike you, or find you annoying. They HATE every ounce of your being.

Cue, not all feminists are like that, only the extreme ones and they aren't the majority! That's called a No True Scotsman fallacy. I've asked the same question to feminists who come here at least 20 times, feel free to go through my post history and see for yourself. Anyways, I ask them, why does NOW, the national organization of women, lobby against shared parenting bills in divorce? If the AVERAGE feminist isn't like that. How in the actual fuck did NOW get to be as big as they are? They're literally the biggest of its kind on planet earth. Why aren't the"real" feminists correcting them? How does this not force women into traditional gender roles? Why would I, a dad who lost custody to a false accusation, want to make it even easier to do this to other men by supporting NOW?

I applaud your effort. But the old addage decided definitely applies here. You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. You're thinking that women operate on logical deduction. They don't, and do so on an emotional level. Our brains are much different in that regard, contrary to what the social constructionists would have you believe.

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I've been around long enough and have been a part of this community in particular for two or three years. I'm entirely understanding of what's going back and forth. I don't particularly like the cynicism of the more modern MGTOW mindset but rather appreciate the stoicism and realistic world view that the core philosophy affords. I think MGTOW is a growing symptom of how we mistreat men as a separate and lower caste of people and would like to do whatever I can to help women understand men, the way men now understand women better. If we can ease the tension, the divisiveness will lessen and real social discourse will open up between the sexes, enter equality.

So now I aim to take a stab at your method of thinking as an MRA. If we don't do things like this, then what do we even do? It may seem hopeless, as does everything we do as advocates for men, but if that's the case where it's just "too difficult" then why aren't we just packing it in and kneeling to a growing female superior social caste?

Regardless of how the gender war goes, no one is winning, just one side will lose less. If it ends in equality, great, we can as a society bow our heads in shame that we allowed things to go on like this. If it doesn't end like that...we'll have sex robots and men will probably revolt and send things back to the 50s.

[–]grandmasbroach 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And I've been here for about half a decade. That's just an appeal to authority and doesn't strengthen any argument, in fact it does the opposite.

What do we do? Enjoy the motha fuckin decline! You ride the tiger. That's what you do. I think we're at the end of an era and it's best just let the whole thing die already so we can start a new. https://youtu.be/oq_sOQJ_Qdk

I believe our society is broken beyond repair at this point and nothing short of a hard reset will come anywhere close to fixing the problem. Our culture runs in cycles, and this one is about over with. In a couple more decades, the next kids will rebel against their parents, rinse and repeat. You can't force social change. Either the people will do it on their own free accord, or not. When you try to force change out of people they tend to want to do the opposite. For that reason, I don't think we "do" anything. We let free people make free choices, and the cards will fall where they may.

What's wrong with the 1950s? You mean the time period where women reported the highest levels of happiness in western history? Yeah, I'd like to go back to a where it's ok to be a manly man, and ok to be a girly girl.

Nietchze called this all about a century ago. We killed God, and now bad shit is about to happen because of it. I'm a hardcore atheist mind you. But, I see value in tradition. Things like, celebrating Christmas, has been going on in our culture for damn near two thousand years. Now, we all the sudden need to stop so we don't offend people. I think this all comes at a great cost because those traditions are the glue that holds a society together. Without it, you really just have a bunch of lost, angry, depressed souls milling about unproductively. Anyways, reading Nietchze again when I got older really opened my eyes up to how getting rid of tradition in our culture could end up really bad for us. I like Jordan Petersons quote on this. Do I think there is a physical entity called God? No. But, should we still act like there is one? Yes I do. We should all live like there is a God, even if we don't believe, because throwing out all the traditions that go with it, can rip a culture apart and cause infighting, and eventual collapse.

What's the answer? Honestly, I don't know. I know that my opinions looking at culture and society have drastically shifted from when I was in my twenties. Now, I am starting to think and question if these traditions we have had for millenia after the next, exist for a really good reason. Going back to that, to some extent, would probably be very helpful to our overall society.

We already have sex robots there champ. So, you're a little late on that one.

[–]GreyTortoise[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I meant to say the sex robots will be big business and more talked about. Probably more advanced.

I like what you have to say about culture shifting. It will shift away from those traditions eventually, but I think it should be done more gradually than all the radicals are trying to push for. When conservative-minded folks see things change drastically from one decade to another they get alarmed and start plugging everything up. It's not their fault, it's just how they are. I think we will indeed see the end of a cultural era and it will be marked by a huge divide between men and women. Some men will remain among women socially as almost pets and subservient second-hands or "breeding prizes" while the remaining others will amass into MGTOW. Quite dystopian, but I don't know if men will stand for it or just use the separation as a means to take the reins completely away from women as a class, relegating them back down to being commonly secondary in potency and with a new extreme level of distrust. Women as a group in general will always want to be metaphorically behind men. Whether to allow men to lead and provide for them or to allow men to take the brunt of the world's harshness in silent disposability, we can always rely on the common woman to support the patriarchy.

I don't know what it bodes for us or everyone else, but feminism is starting to really foul everyone's view of it and the MRM is starting to get curious glances here and there even in media. Make no mistake, when there is another war, another huge crisis, another this that or another, when reality makes all people sober up from feminist dogma, it will be over. Men are at the forefront because we are the control group. We pioneer and risk everything to find out something, or just for plain boredom. Some women come along with us, but they are the exception rather than the example. Feminizing men and masculizing women will change little, we are chemically driven and built for our separate tasks, cruel as it is.

I'm glad to find you've got more interesting things to talk about than just doomsaying and nay-saying. But still, I'd rather wield something while I ride this tiger. I'm not letting things just go by me, if I can make a small effect here and there that's great. Nothing more enjoyable than watching a dope-eyed boy or girl choke on or swallow that red pill. I've prescribed to a few, and they take their medicine.

Change minds with cold, jagged facts now. When our culture finally reaches its fall, it may fall upon a different shift than the one we fear.

Have an internet point.

[–]grandmasbroach 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. You should pick up a copy of that book before it gets banned. It was recommended to me, and I've really enjoyed it. Evola was a genius philosopher. However, the reason you'll get weird looks buying it is that Julius Evola was an officer in the SS. I really believe it would be a mistake for people to not read this sort of stuff so you can be exposed to EVERY idea you possibly can. I think we have thrown out a lot of western culture with the Nazis simply out of association. They were terrible people. Here's where I differ though. If a Nazi was to say two plus two equals four, they wouldn't be wrong. I think there were a lot of ideas that got thrown out after ww2 because it was related to the "bad guys." So, I think there's a lot of our western cultural roots that we don't know about in the modern age. Especially when it comes to philosophy.

Imho, I think most of our philosophy now comes from further east and isn't grounded in western tradition. We are being pushed to social, equity based political philosophy, and that is absolutely antithetical to western society. That's actually the exact opposite of our normal traditions. The west was built on the idea that the most powerful thing is the individual. Now, we are basically being forced into looking at everything in life through the lens of group identity, and it's confusing the hell out of a lot of people. Something just seems off to a lot of people now, and I really believe this is it.

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