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Prenups not worth the paper they are written on

FiftyandAlmostOver

December 26, 2017
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http://www.familylawexpress.com.au/family-law-news/bindingfinancialagreement/reliability-of-prenuptial-agreements-questioned-after-high-court-ruling/3373/?WT.mc_id=Family-Law-News-Headlines&cid=soc%3A103
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Title Prenups not worth the paper they are written on
Author

FiftyandAlmostOver

Upvotes 15
Comments 12
Date December 26, 2017 5:38 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7m60pv/prenups_not_worth_the_paper_they_are_written_on/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This falls into the John Cleese category for me.

If you're a wealthy man and you get divorced and fleeced, you have my sympathy. If you then remarry, and put your remaining wealth at risk a second time, you're the idiot. Cleese obviously takes this to a new low because he's been through it, what, four times already, but this old dude has the same issue.

If you're that fucking lonely, just proposition a local pro to make you exclusive for the next few years until you kick off. She gets more money than she'd ever make in that period, tax free, and you get a sex partner and caregiver for that cash. Everyone's happy and the kids get their inheritance. There's literally no need at all to risk all that wealth with a sham marriage.

[–]FiftyandAlmostOver[S] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The High Court has this morning set aside their prenuptial agreement in a landmark ruling in Thorne v Kennedy, a decision that lawyers warn will open the doors to fresh legal challenges by other former spouses.

The prenup, signed by the woman before the wedding, was thrown out because the woman was not given the option to negotiate, instead given a take it or leave it proposal.

[–]-manatease 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Marriage contracts are take it or leave it proposals too. I don't understand why a prenup can be thrown out whilst the marriage contract itself stands because the man was getting married based on this understanding. He was in effect coerced into getting married by the signing of the prenup.

A good message for a judge to send out would be invalidating the marriage contract so that nothing is transferred instead of a generous prenup agreement.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Marriage is literally the only legally binding financial contract where you are not allowed to know the responsibilities and liabilities of the agreement until years or decades later. No other agreement would be legal under these circumstances.

The idea that any man with financial assets would even consider getting married can only be defined as "a bad idea"...he gets zero benefits and unlimited liability.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

No they aren't, but in this case I'm still like fuck this guy.

The husband, known as Mr Kennedy, had assets of at least $18 million.

If you're rich as hell, try and import a poor Eastern European woman and cut her out of any money 11 days before the wedding, quite frankly I don't care if she walks away with most of it. Better her than an entitled western feminist.

This is not the case of the ordinary man getting married in good faith and then getting raped by the system.

[–]KazarakOfKar 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I have read cases where even when a woman has her own lawyer review the pre-nump a judge throws it out. Basically if the pre-nump is a condition of marriage (duhhhhh) its liable to be thrown out. For a wealthy western man, marriage is a bad bet.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes it's true. In fact, I have not heard of many cases where a prenup is actually upheld.

Marriage is a bad bet for all men.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're getting downvoted, but this is the reality.

If this same document is sent to her back in her homeland, reviewed before she leaves to even meet you, and reviewed with a lawyer, it's probably enforceable. Having her sign it after she's fully committed and dependent upon you to even fly her and her family back home if she disagrees is under duress.

[–]theduncan 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Australia is really bad for prenuptial agreements, even before this. They are a very modern concept in Australia, I believe they came in to law only in the early 2000's. There just isn't enough good case law.

[–]chadwickofwv 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He had provisions in the prenup to give her over one million and assets worth over one million as well. She was not in any way hung out to dry.

[–]FiftyandAlmostOver[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

..cut her out of any money?

Did you not read the substantial amount of money and assets she was to receive upon his death?

Even though they separated before he died, even though she was going to get a lot of money just for marrying him, she was not happy with that. She wanted everything!!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not arguing against that, I'm just saying he is a douche who buys a poor person on a website, and I don't really give a fuck if she does get everything. I think men should avoid marriage, not buy a poor human being from SE Asia or Eastern Europe as an alternative.

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