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Help try to stop the circumcision of a 12-year-old boy AGAINST HIS WILL in Coventry today (Saturday)

JohnKimble111

August 19, 2017
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/r/MensRights
https://j4mb.org.uk/2017/08/19/help-us-try-to-stop-the-circumcision-of-a-12-year-old-boy-in-coventry-today-saturday/
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Title Help try to stop the circumcision of a 12-year-old boy AGAINST HIS WILL in Coventry today (Saturday)
Author

JohnKimble111

Upvotes 77
Comments 11
Date August 19, 2017 5:55 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6ungbd/help_try_to_stop_the_circumcision_of_a_12yearold/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/help-try-to-stop-the-circumcision-of-a-12-year-old.915617
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[–]Imnotmrabut 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It's a pity that in all the advice given on Reddit to this 12 year old child, the two most important contact points have been missed.

Childline 0500 1111

NSPCC 0808 800 5000

It's a pity that Mike B (and others) are more interested in Political Capitol than CHILD SAFETY.

THE CHILD'S REDDIT ACCOUNT IS /u/Wayzario05

If Mike B was rational he would have already alerted the NSPCC who would involve both Police and Social Services immediatly as required by law.

Mike B really needs to rethink his conduct and attention seeking ways.

It's one thing making MHRAs look stupid and as toxic as him with his attacks upon all comers - but failing to do the basics over child safety shows he's incompetent, dangerous and Not Fit For Purpose.

The NSPCC are now aware and action is in progress!

[–]JohnKimble111[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The NSPCC are not at all male-friendly, far better to go direct to the police and social services.

And how about giving the attacks on Mike a rest? - with no notice whatsoever he instantly gave up his entire Saturday to travel 100+ miles to protect a boy from MGM.

[–]Imnotmrabut 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The NSPCC acted immediately they were made aware - involved the police - social services - safeguarding. They put The Childs Safety First.

I believe the child was writing online at 9.00am GMT

Circumcision cancelled. Spoke to the guy he said he won't do it. Call of the protest, please, it'll make everyone's situation worse. Thanks

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/6unz77/update/

What a pity that Mike B et al don't keep up with developments and waste time travelling 100 miles to a protest the child doesn't want?

Mike B gave up(?) his Saturday and went 100 miles to protest needlessly and against the wishes of the child?

What a Fool - why did he waste his time and energy on a none event - none protest - when he would have been better spending his time in bombarding media with details of how a Child had to reach out over social media to prevent an unwanted Circumcision ..... and with the support of many Guys it was stopped.

The media get that story - they Ignore None protests and people wasting their own time needlessly. Another lost media opportunity.

Mike is not good at publicity, media or getting it right - but he's great in dashing off in the hope of protests and wasting time - and nobody grasping the value of what he's doing but him!

I'll Scream each time anyone endangers a child and Idioticly places Protesting over the child's safety .... and any rational, moral and caring person would do the same.

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[–]JohnKimble111[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Not every child is lucky enough to be able to access Reddit and it's important to help all victims. Furthermore the consensus seems to be that the procedure has merely been postponed and thus the protests were indeed needed for this child (and more will be needed in future too).

It seems the protests also had the result of shutting down the entire clinic down for the day, thus saving many more boys from MGM and sending out a very powerful message indeed. It clearly wasn't a waste of time and both Mike and Patrick deserve a great deal of respect for what they achieved.

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Furthermore the consensus

Consensus in a group often is confused with finding the right answer.
Norman R. F. Maier

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[–]Imnotmrabut 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The NSPCC are now aware and action is in progress!

The Circumcision IS CANCELLED as at 09.00am (GMT) Saturday 19 Aug 2017.

Circumcision cancelled. Spoke to the guy he said he won't do it. Call of the protest, please, it'll make everyone's situation worse. Thanks

https://np.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/6unz77/update/

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How is this not illegal?

[–]Imnotmrabut 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is illegal when the child makes it clear they do not consent.

It's covered by guidance issued by both the General Medical Council (GMC) and the British Medical Association (BMA).

General Medical Council - Procedures provided for mainly religious or cultural reasons
20. If the patient is a child, you must proceed on the basis of the best interests of the child and with consent. Assessing best interests will include the child’s and/or the parents’[12] cultural, religious or other beliefs and values.[13] You should get the child's consent if they have the maturity and understanding to give it. If not, you should get consent from all those with parental responsibility.
[12] - Parents here means all those with parental responsibility for the child
[13] - You must also follow our guidance on treating patients aged 0–18 years. General Medical Council (2007) 0–18 years: guidance for all doctors London, GMC, paragraphs 34–35.
General Medical Council Personal beliefs and medical practice, Published 25 March 2013, In effect 22 April 2013 - Webpage: Personal beliefs and medical practice (2013)> Procedures provided for mainly religious or cultural reasons> Procedures provided for mainly religious or cultural reasons


British Medical Association - The law and ethics of male circumcision Guidance for doctors June 2006
4.2 Consent and refusal
Consent for any procedure is valid only if the person or people giving consent understand the nature and implications of the procedure. To promote such an understanding of circumcision, parents and children should be provided with up-to-date written information about the risks. The BMA is concerned that they may not have easy access to up-to-date information, however, and has called on appropriate bodies such as the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health and the British Association of Paediatric Surgeons to produce an information leaflet.
4.2.1 Children’s own consent
All children who are capable of expressing a view should be involved in decisions about whether they should be circumcised, and their wishes taken into account. The BMA cannot envisage a situation in which it is ethically acceptable to circumcise a competent, informed young person who consistently refuses the procedure. As with any form of medical treatment, doctors must balance the harms caused by violating a child’s refusal with the harm caused by not circumcising. Often surgery for non-medical reasons is deferred until children have sufficient maturity and understanding to participate in the decision about what happens to their bodies, and those that are competent to decide are entitled in law to give consent for themselves. When assessing competence to decide, doctors should be aware that parents can exert great influence on their child’s view of treatment. That is not to say that decisions made with advice from parents are necessarily in doubt, but that it is important that the decision is the child’s own independent choice.
The law and ethics of male circumcision Guidance for doctors June 2006

[–]iKoniKz64 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He was alright. He spoke to the guy going to be doing it, who refused. Thank god.

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