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An actual legal opinion on the Oxford Medical Student and her deferred sentence | The Secret Barrister

famasfilms

May 20, 2017
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https://thesecretbarrister.com/2017/05/16/an-oxford-medical-student-stabbed-her-boyfriend-with-a-bread-knife-so-why-is-she-not-going-to-prison/
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Title An actual legal opinion on the Oxford Medical Student and her deferred sentence | The Secret Barrister
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famasfilms

Upvotes 15
Comments 32
Date May 20, 2017 2:58 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6carde/an_actual_legal_opinion_on_the_oxford_medical/
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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

and personal mitigation including a promising career. Ms Woodward’s offence is more serious in the statutory hierarchy of violent offences; however she has what appears to be powerful mitigation relating to her reported issues with substance misuse and history as a victim of domestic violence

None of those factors are considered mitigating factors in the sentence guidelines, look at the second page of the first image.

This is not a legal opinion, just a really bad opinion.

[–]famasfilms[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Try reading the whole article lol.

And I guess the opinions of the two barristers quoted in the Guardian article I linked to are also wrong?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Oh yeah lets hear from the Guardian on the pussy pass....let me guess they dont think women should go to jail eva?

Fuckwit.

[–]famasfilms[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

genetic fallacy in full effect.

When they are quoting ACTUAL BARRISTERS, it does not matter what publication is quoting them.

Francis FitzGibbon QC, chair of the Criminal Bar Association, dismissed suggestions that the judge’s approach reflected any bias. “I can’t see any evidence that this was doing her a favour because she was a student at Oxford,” he said. “He has given her a chance to get clean.

“The purpose of these guidelines was to introduce consistency in sentencing, to stop a judge taking an unduly favourable view of someone because they come from a particular class or background. I can’t see any evidence of that in this case.”

Paul Mendelle QC, a former chairman of the Criminal Bar Association, commented: “The defendant did not receive preferential treatment but was scrupulously dealt with in accordance with the guidelines. Indeed, she is arguably worse off because she lives in Italy; had she been living here, she could have received a community penalty straight away without a period of deferral.”

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/may/19/oxford-student-lavinia-woodward-who-stabbed-ex-boyfriend-deletes-facebook-page-after-abuse

The judge followed the guidelines - the same guidelines that apply equally to men and women, blacks, whites, asians, gays, straights, rich people, poor people.

For someone with the name MRABOB you sure sound like SJWBOB

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

When they are quoting ACTUAL BARRISTERS, it does not matter what publication is quoting them

When they are selectively finding people to quote to support their narrative it doesn't matter if the person is an OH MY GOD AN ACTUAL BARRISTER or some homeless guy on the street.

The judge followed the guidelines - the same guidelines that apply equally to men and women, blacks, whites, asians, gays, straights, rich people, poor people.

Right - point me to that part of the guidelines that refer to not disrupting someones career? You know, the explicit reason given for the judge for probably not going to jail her.

For someone with the name MRABOB you sure sound like SJWBOB

Says the mangina quoting the Guardian. A belly laugh is a great way to start the morning, thanks!

[–]famasfilms[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Do you even know what you're talking about?

The typical Guardian narrative is that she got a deferred sentence because she's white.

You're on the same side as the Guardian and their readership, you both think she got privilege.

The specific Guardian article I linked quoted two barristers who contradicted that narrative by saying "nope the judge follows the guidelines"

I'm sorry that the two articles I linked were too long for you to read.

Next time stay out of topics you can't understand, ok?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The typical Guardian narrative is that she got a deferred sentence because she's white.

What planet are you on? The Guardian on Planet Earth definitely isn't saying that.

Next time stay out of topics you can't understand, ok?

Aww someones got all frustrated now haven't they? Maybe you should go watch some soccer to take your mind of these complex and difficult subjects.

[–]famasfilms[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

lol you really are dumb

the MRA narrative - she got off because she was female!

the SJW narrative - she got off because she was white!

You just said that the Guardian deliberately found lawyers to say "no actually the judge just followed the law" because that suits their narrative.

You're clearly an idiot and not worth wasting any more time on.

I'll block you in a few minutes, just giving you notice and to make sure I know you know you're being blocked and why

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OK Chief, not sure how I will get along without being able to prove you wrong over and over, but I'll try my best.

[–]user1492 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think anyone seriously believes that the judge doesn't have the authority to sentence her to a suspended sentence.

The question is whether the judge's decision to suspend her sentence is appropriate.

Also, you get a year off your sentence for a "timely guilty plea"? That's pretty messed up.

[–]famasfilms[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

the court must have regard to the statutory five purposes of sentencing – punishment, reduction of crime (including by deterrence), reform and rehabilitation of offenders; protection of the public; and making reparations – and will need to assess the appropriate emphasis in any given case. While stabbing with a bread knife is plainly serious, if the injury is not particularly grave, and if the court is of the view that more can constructively be achieved by avoiding sending a promising young defendant to prison and shattering their future life prospects, instead offering in the first instance a sentence focussing on rehabilitation to address deep-rooted problems laying behind the offending, then it is arguably in service of those five principles that a suspended sentence of imprisonment, with punitive and rehabilitative requirements attached, might be imposed.

Where a defendant who has never been in trouble is facing a custodial sentence of 2 years or under, and where they have the prospect of employment, education or caring responsibilities, judges will often strive to avoid passing a sentence of immediate imprisonment.

But the suggestion that this exceptional course is only ever reserved for the Prom Queens (or whatever our British equivalent is) is tired and lazy. The reason you don’t hear about the suspended sentences handed down for less photogenic defendants – for the 19 year-old lad starting his apprenticeship, or the 48 year-old mobile hairdresser – is mainly because the media tends not to report on them.

It really is incredible to see this sub frothing at the mouth because you (wrongly) believe that her sentence was deferred because of gender privilege.

At the same time, the SJWs and the BLM crowd are claiming it was because of white privilege.

I have also seen arguments that it is wealth or class privilege.

The TLDR of the above article is that the judge followed the established sentencing guidelines by DEFERRING her sentence.

You have no evidence to support the accusation that he only did that because she is female or that a man in similar circumstances would not get a deferred sentence.

This blog also refers to the case of "MUSTAFA BASHIR" who received a suspended sentence after he assaulted his wife with a cricket bat and made her drink bleach - so a non-white male also received a suspended sentence https://thesecretbarrister.com/2017/03/27/was-the-cricketer-who-forced-his-wife-to-drink-bleach-spared-prison-because-his-wife-was-too-intelligent/

The opinion of this blog is also backed up by other legal experts:

Francis FitzGibbon QC, chair of the Criminal Bar Association, dismissed suggestions that the judge’s approach reflected any bias. “I can’t see any evidence that this was doing her a favour because she was a student at Oxford,” he said. “He has given her a chance to get clean.

“The purpose of these guidelines was to introduce consistency in sentencing, to stop a judge taking an unduly favourable view of someone because they come from a particular class or background. I can’t see any evidence of that in this case.”

Paul Mendelle QC, a former chairman of the Criminal Bar Association, commented: “The defendant did not receive preferential treatment but was scrupulously dealt with in accordance with the guidelines. Indeed, she is arguably worse off because she lives in Italy; had she been living here, she could have received a community penalty straight away without a period of deferral.”

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/may/19/oxford-student-lavinia-woodward-who-stabbed-ex-boyfriend-deletes-facebook-page-after-abuse

The reality is that most legal cases similar to this one do not make the news. This one did because the defendant is clever enough to be at Oxford, high potential enough to come top of her class, is white, is attractive and basically "box office.

This is your white/female privilege - having your story plastered all over the news, having a bunch of SJWs and MRAs grabbing pitchforks, having the tabloid press trawl your facebook for photos.

Yup, white/female privilege folks

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

She had attacked her victim twice previously. This is a clear case of domestic violence, the last attack on her partner being her 3rd.

Had a man committed the same crimes, he would have been sentenced to prison.

[–]famasfilms[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

except as mentioned in the blog, a man - an asian man at that, assaulted his wife with a cricket bat and made her drink bleach - and received a suspended sentence.

How do you explain that?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

His sentence was reviewed, deemed improperly lenient, and he was jailed.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-39529714

Do your homework.

I hope this happens to her. Her gender should not protect her from the law.

[–]famasfilms[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

yep, because he misled the judge was to his career potential.

That does not change the fact that in the Oxford student case the judge was following established legal guidelines

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

You asked the question - too bad you don't accept the valid answer.

And no, he did not. Her previous offences against the same victim appear not to have been taken into account in her sentencing by the judge.

And your comment about Bashir's "career potential" is absurd. His career potential should not influence sentencing for a serious crime of domestic violence, as both of these crimes are. The judge found a convenient excuse to re-sentence.

Let's hope Lavinia, the coked-up serial batterer from Oxford receives the same treatment.

[–]famasfilms[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And your comment about Bashir's "career potential" is absurd. His career potential should not influence sentencing for a serious crime of domestic violence, as both of these crimes are. The judge found a convenient excuse to re-sentence.

How is it absurd:

Where a defendant who has never been in trouble is facing a custodial sentence of 2 years or under, and where they have the prospect of employment, education or caring responsibilities, judges will often strive to avoid passing a sentence of immediate imprisonment.

"Prospect of employment", he told the court he was hoping to receive a pro cricket contract and so he met the "prospect of employment" criteria. The cricket club in question denied it, he no longer met the criteria.

Nothing out of the ordinary here.

Isn't there a legal word for lying under oath in court? Per, Pir, Perjury?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I see you are no longer referring to Lavinia Woodward's case.

That is wise, since you were absolutely wrong on that point, as you were about the outcome of Bashir's sentencing.

[–]famasfilms[S] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol, whatever helps you sleep at night pal

[+]Ryufenikkusuotaku3 points 9 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

That shouldn't have happened either. Two wrongs don't make a right; three rights , however, do make a left

[–]This_is_my_phone_tho 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And now it's time for the show~

[+]Ryufenikkusuotaku3 points 9 years ago [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link

I don't think it's due to any "privelage", nor do I care to speculate. I only disagree with the outcome because the sentencing does not befit the crime committed . She should be in prison; not because she's white, or yuppy, or female. She should be in prison because she stabbed someone; simple as that.

[–]famasfilms[S] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

but as the blog explained, she was dealt with according to UK law. There was nothing out of hand or sinister. And the attack was not particularly serious:

did not need hospital treatment. His fingers were steri-stripped and his 1cm leg wound required stitches which were inserted at the scene.

[+]Ryufenikkusuotaku3 points 9 years ago [recovered] (10 children) | Copy Link

And I am saying I think the law does not always provide justice. I don't need to read an article in order to form the opinion that stabbing someone is not ok. And for the latter of your statements I offer my rebuttle. If someone were to shoot you and their aim was shit; hitting only loose skin, grazing you, and needing only a fresh bandage every couple hours for a week, does that mean he or she should be let go? It was only a minor flesh wound anyways

[–]famasfilms[S] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I don't need to read an article in order to form the opinion that stabbing someone is not ok.

lol, nice straw man.

Nobody is saying that stabbing someone is ok.

You should really read the article before commenting.

She has not got away with anything, her sentence has been deferred.

[+]Ryufenikkusuotaku3 points 9 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

It shouldn't have been deferred. She should be in prison. That's all I'm saying

[–]famasfilms[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's your opinion and that is not what UK law or sentencing guidelines say.

There are lots of people that say George Zimmerman should be in the prison, even though (to best of my understanding) the Florida self-defence stand your ground law meant that he was found not guilty.

The point:

If you are talking about a specific legal case then you must KNOW and RESPECT the law of the Country where that case takes place.

If I go on holiday to Dubai and try and smuggle drugs into the Country and get sentenced to death - then it is no use crying that the sentence is too strict because that is the law.

By the same token, her actions are not remotely close to shooting someone (LOL btw) and her actions plus her quick guilty plea put the crime at a 2 year prison sentence. And as the blog explains - a 2 year sentence can be suspended.

She then met further eligibility criteria for the sentence to be deferred.

You can disagree but my posting of the blog was to point out that she received no privilege other than having her case dealt with in full compliance with UK law

[+]Ryufenikkusuotaku3 points 9 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

I can agree to disagree here.

[–]famasfilms[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

no, if you form an opinion on a subject, and then refuse to read something which challenges your opinion, then your opinion is worthless

I'd also point out that you're just as much of an idelogue as the SJWs that say she got off because of race

[+]Ryufenikkusuotaku3 points 9 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I didn't form an opinion about your shitty blog, therefore I need not read it. I formed an opinion on the poor judgement passed onto an aggressive assailent. I don't give a fuck if she's got a dick or a god damn bag of Arby's hanging between her thighs. If you didn't want conflicting opinions you should have kept your mouth shut. Fuck outta here with that dork shit.

[–]famasfilms[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

your last reply to me was decent, shame you had to ruin it with this one.

[–]This_is_my_phone_tho 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are not the arbiter of truth. You don't have the right to say people must read your apologetics blog post before saying "going after someone with a knife should result in jail" or "if that were me they'd throw the book at me."

Further, Your case only says the judge wasn't out of line. So fucking what? A person stabbed someone and got off scott free.

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