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Yet another suicide at the University of York, who still won't celebrate International Men's Day and and its efforts to prevent such deaths

JohnKimble111

April 25, 2017
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/r/MensRights
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Title Yet another suicide at the University of York, who still won't celebrate International Men's Day and and its efforts to prevent such deaths
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JohnKimble111

Upvotes 112
Comments 19
Date April 25, 2017 5:44 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/67ep1s/yet_another_suicide_at_the_university_of_york_who/
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Comments

[–]Red_Raven 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

It's like some sort of sick joke at this point.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Progressivism is a cancer. This was always going to happen, I'm afraid--and it's only going to continue.

[+]mgtowCHITTY points 9 years ago* [recovered] (13 children) | Copy Link

Dude, come on...

Progressivism is a cancer

Give me a fucking break... Human civilization has continuously been progressing since the dawn of time. As western societies grew and evolved, we've constantly been progressing towards a better future, trying to create a society that is fair and equal for all people.

Obviously, our society fails over and over again to achieve this.. But we keep trying! And we will continue to try and be better. That's what's so great about the west. With each decade, the attitudes change and we get a little more tolerant and accepting with each generation.

Your statement that "progressivism is cancer" is the dumbest shit I've ever heard...

For one, your version of "conservative or traditional".. those values were actually considered "progressive" 40 years ago... And the values that are considered "progressive" today, well in 40 years they will be considered 'conservative'..

That's how it works...

When you say "progressivism", what you really mean is the 'regressive' left.. the politically correct social justice warriors that are so consumed with their own agendas that they are actually willing to betray their own 'progressive values'... Things like them supporting Islam (a religion that commits some of the worst human rights atrocities in modern times).

Don't be a fucking dumbass and try to paint all progressives with such a broad stroke... I could easily do that same thing with conservatives. I could focus only on the ass backward Christian Fundamentalist rednecks that think our country should be a Christian theocracy , instead of a country that values freedom of religion. Or I could focus on the traditionalists that want to treat gay people like they are some defunct, messed up version of humans and they think they can torture them (pray the gay away camps) into being "good and straight"..

Do you see what I'm getting at here? There extremes on both sides of the political spectrum are fucking idiots.

What is it that you want exactly? Do you want our society to just be frozen in time and never advance past the ideals and beliefs now? You think our society is perfect how it is and we should never change or try to improve?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Human civilization has continuously been progressing since the dawn of time.

I used the term progressivism, not progression.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

How much "progress" do you think would be made without the progressives of each new generation fighting for social reform? Fighting to change all the negative attitudes and beliefs of the generations that came before them..

If everyone just had a traditionalist mindset.. Do you really think society would be what it is today? Do you think we'd have been able to learn from our mistakes, evolve and try to be "better"...? Every great stride western civilization has made when it comes to human and civil rights is thanks to progressivism.

Traditionalists aren't know for their willingness to change... They aren't know for helping create "progress" but rather hindering it..

But go ahead and keep thinking progressivism is nothing more than cancer... I think history would tend to disagree with you.

[–]bufedad 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

How much "progress" do you think would be made without the progressives of each new generation fighting for social reform?

This particular generation? A lot.

[+]mgtowCHITTY points 9 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Lol.. you know every generation's conservatives think this right?

"Oh man, once they stop letting us keep these slaves , then society will collapse!"

"Once they give these blacks the right to vote, our country will be doomed!"

"Things would be soooo much better if they'd just let us keep these colored folks segregated"

[–]bufedad 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol.. you know every generation's conservatives think this right?

First off, I'm not conservative. I'm probably more progressive than most on this forum (although, I look for viable solutions, instead of feel good crap).

And then your examples have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

The current "progressives" aren't working towards progress. They are moving us towards Victorian era sex rules. That's not progress by anyone's standards.

The fact that someone calls themselves by a name containing the word progress does not mean their goals lead in that direction.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

My examples were proving a point that I had made.. Those kind of statements weren't made by 'progressives'.. They were made by the conservatives of those time periods. I'm sorry if that's an uncomfortable truth for modern conservatives to hear but that's the reality... I'm not trying to claim that modern conservatives have those kinds of beliefs.. That wasn't my intention at all. I was just making a point about "progressivism vs conservatism".

How can you be progressive but think the concept of progressivism is cancer? If you think it's just modern progressivism then you should have made that distinction.

I agree with your last 2 paragraphs.. But I think you are trying to paint all progressives as those regressive SJW's.. and that's just not right or true. There is starting to be a lot of pushback from 'moderate' progressives against the regressive left. More and more rational progressives are starting to see how crazy things are getting and see the hypocrisy of the regressive left. A lot of those progressives are starting to become more 'centered' because of it.

It's like I said in my original comment.. The pendulum always swings back..

The fact that someone calls themselves by a name containing the word progress does not mean their goals lead in that direction.

Exactly... just because those marxists are claiming to be progressives, doesn't make it so. It just means they are hiding behind the banner of "progress" in order to fulfill their own agendas.

It's the same thing Feminists do... they hide behind the banner of "equality" but as all of us know, their agendas couldn't be further away from 'true gender equality'.

[–]bufedad -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Those kind of statements weren't made by 'progressives'..

Yes... those examples are relevant.

labeling yourself "progressive" doesn't mean you are trying to progress society anymore than labeling yourself feminist means you are fighting for equality.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

TL;DR?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

TL;DR: Progressivism isn't cancer. That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. The progressives he is referring to are the 'regressive left', cultural Marxist SJW's. Its shitty to generalize progressives like that, I could easily do the same thing for conservative extremists. If it weren't for the progressives of every generation fighting for social reforms then our society wouldn't be what it is today. Every great stride western civilization has made in human and civil rights is thanks to progressivism. Traditionalists of are always on the wrong side of history.. fighting against "progress".

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

https://i.imgur.com/LXQn21C.jpg

It seems like I might agree with you overall, but god damn son, your response should be proportional.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Sometimes when I get started it's just hard to stop. Especially when I hear people make that statement. It's one thing to say you disagree with modern progressivism taking their politically correct agendas too far (I actually agree with that).. but it's something else entirely to claim that progressivism itself is cancer. Every great stride western civilization has made in human and civil rights is thanks to progressivism.

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, but you also have to differentiate between the classical definition of progressivism, and the more popular modern interpretation. When people screech about progressives, it's rarely the idea of classical progressives that come to mind, but the idea of some SJW feminist that says men are evil and push for horrible legislation. They aren't progressives. I'm not sure what they would be. I've heard some call them "regressives" instead, which I think is a more accurate moniker.

[–]Imnotmrabut 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The University of York Feminut Student union Went Apeshite when a Feminist Student Organised an Event for International Men's Day 2015.

I was pushing the Publicity on the event - here's one of the online notices

Here is the page from The Student Union Website http://www.webcitation.org/6cw969N2Y

It reads:

"November 19th is International Men's Day so I'm currently organising an opportunity for students to be involved in a positive gender project in return for prizes. A competition will run in which students of all genders can write a 250-400 word entry about their male role model, whether it's a family member, friends, or a well-known face. I am in talks with hotspots around York to provide some fantastic prizes, including City Screen.

Once International Men's Day has finished I plan to launch a blogging space for the Women Champions (and students) to write articles about gender issues on campus and/or within York.""

Then the Feminuts demanded that all men are Toxic and stopped any progress!

I hold the York Student Union Complicit in the Death - will there be an Inquest or has it already been rushed through to not have embarasing evidence before the cororner?

[–]interstellartois 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm confused, didn't this chap go to the university of york? Your events are for york St. John?

[–]x_xwolf -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I feel bad for him, but college isnt meant for you to find a lover, its supposed to be a place to further your education and life. You could always find women anywhere, pretty sure theres a manipulative woman who'd jump on the chance to take a young man whos desperate for a wife. I get suicides arent rational, but something feels off here, i think there mightve been more at play.

[–]x_xwolf -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like he thought a woman could cure his depression or something maybe is what it was

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