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Gynocentrism in 1897: Catholic woman gives her account of why women had become speshul

PeterWrightMGTOW

January 3, 2017
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1897: A Catholic woman gives her account of why women had become speshul princesses

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Title Gynocentrism in 1897: Catholic woman gives her account of why women had become speshul
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PeterWrightMGTOW

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Date January 3, 2017 2:51 AM UTC
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[–]PeterWrightMGTOW[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Other commentators from a century ago gave similar commentaries about perceptions the Virgin Mary and her influence on the status of women, eg.:

■ H.J. Chaytor, The Troubadours: “In the eleventh century the worship of the Virgin Mary became widely popular; the reverence bestowed upon the Virgin was extended to the female sex in general, and as a vassal owed obedience to his feudal overlord, so did he owe service and devotion to his lady… Thus there was a service of love as there was a service of vassalage, and the lover stood to his lady in a position analogous to that of the vassal to his overlord. He attained this position only by stages; “there are four stages in love: the first is that of aspirant (fegnedor), the second that of suppliant (precador), the third that of recognised suitor (entendedor) and the fourth that of accepted lover (drut).” The lover was formally installed as such by the lady, took an oath of fidelity to her and received a kiss to seal it, a ring or some other personal possession.”

■ C.G. Crump, Legacy of the Middle Ages: “The Aristocracy and Church developed the doctrine of the superiority of women, that adoration which gathered round both the persons both of the Virgin in heaven and the lady upon earth, and which handed down to the modern world the ideal of chivalry. The cult of the Virgin and the cult of chivalry grew together, and continually reacted upon one another… The cult of the lady was the mundane counterpart of the cult of the Virgin and it was the invention of the medieval aristocracy. In chivalry the romantic worship of a woman was as necessary a quality of the perfect knight as was the worship of God… It is obvious that the theory which regarded the worship of a lady as next to that of God and conceived of her as the mainspring of brave deeds, a creature half romantic, half divine, must have done something to counterbalance the dogma of subjection. The process of placing women upon a pedestal had begun, and whatever we may think of the ultimate value of such an elevation (for few human beings are suited to the part of Stylites, whether ascetic or romantic) it was at least better than placing them, as the Fathers of the Church had inclined to do, in the bottomless pit.”

[–]LucifersHammerr 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Very interesting counterpoint to the claim by feminists that 'patriarchal religion' regards women as inferior beings. Thanks for the post.

[–]PeterWrightMGTOW[S] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The notion of Christianity as a patriarchal religion might need a rethink in the light of the Virgin Mary. I'm reminded of an interview with Joseph Campbell - perhaps the most famous ever expert on religions - who suggested Mary was paramount. Here's a snippet of the interview:

MOYERS: There are women today who say that the spirit of the Goddess has been in exile for five thousand years, since the –

CAMPBELL: You can’t put it that far back, five thousand years. She was a very potent figure in Hellenistic times in the Mediterranean, and she came back with the Virgin in the Roman Catholic tradition. You don’t have a tradition with the Goddess celebrated any more beautifully and marvelously than in the twelfth- and thirteenth-century French cathedrals, every one of which is called Notre Dame.

MOYERS: Yes, but all of those motifs and themes were controlled by males — priests, bishops — who excluded women, so whatever the form might have meant to the believer, for the purpose of power the image was in the hands of the dominant male figure.

CAMPBELL: You can put an accent on it that way, but I think it’s a little too strong because there were the great female saints. Hildegarde of Bingen — she was a match for Innocent III. And Eleanor of Aquitaine — I don’t think there is anybody in the Middle Ages who has the stature to match hers. One now can look back and quarrel with the whole situation, but the situation of women was not that bad by any means.

MOYERS: No, but none of those saints would ever become pope.

CAMPBELL: Becoming pope, that’s not much of a job, really. That’s a business position. None of the popes could ever have become the mother of Christ. There are different roles to play. It was the male’s job to protect the women.

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