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Is a male nurse worth $5,148 more than a female nurse?

tonyespresso

March 25, 2015
4 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-male-nurses-make-more-than-women-20150323-story.html
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Title Is a male nurse worth $5,148 more than a female nurse?
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tonyespresso

Upvotes 4
Comments 14
Date March 25, 2015 2:30 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/307jn2/is_a_male_nurse_worth_5148_more_than_a_female/
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[–]bloodshot_eyes 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is 100% speculation, but there could be other factors, such as the likelihood of men to take on those late night shifts that typically pay more. Remote rural work can come with a bump in pay too. More O/T hours would increase the pay by a factor of 1.5 while increasing hours by a factor of 1, creating the illusion of more pay per hours worked.

Like I said, 100% speculation. But those might be some reasons behind the pay inequity.

[–]tonyespresso[S] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I was shocked to see this article. Everything I have heard about nursing is that it is a female bastion.

On first glance the data sources do seem credible. But I am not an expert in statistical analysis.

Does anyone out there in this subreddit have a link to any other studies that tell a different story? I find it very hard to believe. I presume that it just falls under the usual feminist disinformation department.

What is worrisome is that the more this kind of story gets published and goes unquestioned, the more women gain power at the expense of men.

[–]DavidByron2 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7310450/ns/us_news-life/t/black-asian-women-make-income-gains/

A white woman with a bachelor’s degree typically earned nearly $37,800 in 2003, compared with nearly $43,700 for a college-educated Asian woman and $41,100 for a college-educated black woman, according to data being released Monday by the Census Bureau.

Do you suppose that feminists concluded that this wage gap was due to racism against whites? or do you think they suddenly came up with a new idea for explaining the wage gap?

Oh hell yes, the feminists suddenly said that it wasn't racism but the different choices that black and white women made!

Economists and sociologists suggest possible factors: the tendency of minority women, especially blacks, to more often hold more than one job or work more than 40 hours a week, and the tendency of black professional women who take time off to have a child to return to the work force sooner than others.

Wow. it's like the only time the assumption of prejudice is made, is when that makes men look like assholes.

[–]kizzan 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How did they calculate that education and experience brought it down from $11k to $5100? I notice they didn't factor everything like how many hours avg worked, which is very important in this industry, and how well each person negotiated their salary, among other things.

[–]xNOM 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It's probably the usual feminist idiocy: focus only on the vagina, and ignore everything else. Feminists are obsessed with vaginas.

There are many other factors not mentioned in the article. Nursing is not like waiting tables. It is a profession. Not all nursing jobs and education are the same. You cannot just take a nurse from one job and plug them into another. Men are much more likely to go into more technical areas of nursing. These areas pay more because the training is longer and harder, and there is a shortage. Women probably don't enter these specialties for the same reason they don't enter engineering -- namely that these specialties are more systems-oriented and less people-oriented.

You see the same thing amongst doctors. Female MDs make less than males. This is partly because they are less likely to be specialists, and more likely to be GPs.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/09/03/female_doctors_make_50_000_less_than_male_doctors_and_the_pay_gap_is_growing.html

There are also the usual issues of negotiation, career breaks, and working part time:

http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/view-article.html?id=20019204

[–]DavidByron2 -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's the usual anti-male bigotry and what you are worried about is exactly the purpose.

the more this kind of story gets published and goes unquestioned, the more women gain power at the expense of men.

As for the pay difference they don't account for the male nurses taking on more responsibilities. I mean they don't even come close to comparing like with like. It's not like there's one job "nurse" and that's it, they are all identical. The men work harder and get promoted (to doing different work) and the feminists just ignore that to make it sound like sexism.

Usual bigoted trick..... they don't even try to be original about it. It's the same trick every damn time on this topic.

[–]thrway_1000 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://archive.today/PUS01

[–]DavidByron2 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even after the researchers accounted for things like location, hours worked per week, years of experience and type of nursing degree, men still earned $5,148 more than women, on average.

Take account of some more shit then.


Seriously how dishonest are these "researchers" if they don't carry on factoring out other items when they know for a fact that the first bunch they tried made a big difference?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No, he's probably worth $10,500 more.

[–]nerostorm 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Why?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Less sick days. More heavy lifting (sometimes ALL of the heavy lifting). No chance of maternity leave. Less chance of suing the hospital.

[–]nerostorm 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Men have less sick days than women and aren't allowed paternity leave in the US? Are you serious??

Still, I feel the argument about doing more heavy lifting isn't always relevant. If you were to take me as an example, if I worked as a nurse I wouldn't be doing any more heavy lifting than the women at the hospital since I'm a pretty small guy. So getting paid more based on doing more heavy lifting should then be based on whether you actually do it, and not just based on your actual gender.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep. Men across the world take less sick days. Paternity leave is at the dicresion of your employer (very rare).

It doesn't matter that female nurses may be just as strong as you - they will still assume that you should do the heavy lifting.

[–]nerostorm 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This whole issue is actually a bit confusing to me as it isn't really very relatable to how things are where I live, so I probably shouldn't comment too much on it.

If it's true that it's expected of you as a man that you'll do all the heavy lifting just based on your gender then that's a big issue. Still if that warrants a bigger paycheck then it should at least be a part of the job description as a male nurse, don't you think?

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