AWALT?

ABicycleRide · 2021-01-23T13:00:20+00:00

Maintain "frame" as much as you like, the fact is that she has all the real, legal power of the state to crush you if she decides to.

She can be as shitty to you as she wants and will face zero consequences. You will still lose. In fact you will lose even if you're being a good little puppy that licks her toes every day.

What kind of relationship is that?

With such a total imbalance of power in the "relationship", does it really make you feel better about it because you might survive it by "maintaining frame" and being lucky?

I don't know about you, but as a man I will not accept having even 49.9% of the power in my relationship or my own children. And I will never accept less that 100% control over my life.

Laws currently just don't allow for that. As the man, you get 0% power in ALL of these categories. Personally I'm going to play at another game...

Good luck.

p3b234cw4z2 · 2021-01-23T12:25:51+00:00

It is not just your woman, it is also her daddy, the government

Kini42 · 2021-01-23T13:13:05+00:00

Sooner or later she will treat you badly independently of your status!

AWALT

redlagoon55 · 2021-01-23T13:29:21+00:00

Keeping frame all the time will eventually consume your "life force" (how you call it). So there will come a time when you will want to relax a little or simply get tired. Than hell will break loose.

I did witness men trying all the time, being consumed after a while. Men who would not even spend a minute in a bar, all of a sudden drinking themselves to death. And no one wanted to be around them, their friends long gone.

However, if you think you can do it, go all in for it. Who knows maybe you will get lucky. I just hope you won't be coming here talking about what a terrible mistake it all was. I really do hope things work out for you.

Notlikeotherguys · 2021-01-23T14:31:49+00:00

It's a very difficult path these days. I'm speaking as a man divorced after a 20 year marriage (25 total years together), and the father of a teenaged son who will be dating soon enough. The environment has changed so much from when I myself was dating pre marriage that at times I feel like Rip Van Winkle.

Morality/social norms have changed. Divorce is no longer looked down upon, it's practically a stage of life these days to be be expected like like learning to drive, Graduating high school, getting married, having kids...

Women have become empowered. More women are working than ever. More women graduate college. I think women now make up a larger percentage of the on the books workforce.

BUT, the laws, especially divorce laws were all written for a time when women didn't work, raised children, and were basically helpless without a man. So despite who is at fault, or who contributed what to your joint success, or who is actually the better parent, she is always going to win by default, and come out of divorce in a better position than you.

Social media, still relatively new has totally inflated womens egos to the point that most of them feel that nobody is good enough for them. It also triggers their hypergamy watching their friends great lives and causing them to constantly rethink their own situations.

Cell phones in concert with social media have made cheating all to easy for both men and women. You no longer have to worry about just Kevin from sales, or some ex-boyfriend, or some random guy she meets at a bar on a girls night out, but any guy in the world with access to a computer/cell phone and a social media account.

Womens sexual liberation has not only removed the stigma of female promiscuity but celebrates it. By the end of my marriage all of my wife's friends were divorced and were processing more sausage than a Nathans factory. Overhearing them talk I gathered that most of them were seeing 2-3 guys at any given time despite being well into their 40's .

Pop culture has made people toxic. Growing up when I did most TV shows,/sitcoms addressed current issues and problems that people faced, or reinforced a positive moral outcome. Most younger people these days were raised on trash reality TV, which promotes drama, backstabbing, promiscuity, narcissism, and selfishness. Negative values.

Best of luck to you. You have your work cut out for you. As for myself, I'm done. I'm not wasting 1 second more of my life on the trash that's out there. If I can score a hook up from time to time great, If not I'll hop on down to Columbia once or twice a year to scratch the itch.

flowingwisdom12 · 2021-01-23T13:24:06+00:00

How long do you think you can maintain frame? This is the real question. We are not machines but being with emotions. Regardless of how you suppress and repress them, if you don’t find a way to channel them, they always come out. Especially if it’s not your native predisposition, and who can blame you? It’s only natural.

And besides, how long you maintain your frame also has to do with how much nagging and shit testing you are subjected to. It is simply exhausting. You want to let go sometimes because you think you are dealing with a logical and understanding being. And there’s your downfall

qEagleStrikerp · 2021-01-23T20:51:31+00:00

Going MGTOW at the end of the day isn't about women. It's about daddy government holding a gun to your head. If it was just about female nature you could try to hold frame and keep your woman in check and when that fails (not if, when) you could just part ways and try again. If that was the case then marriage and co-habitation would be fine for a lot of guys.

The real problem is the government. When you marry a woman or even move in with her in a lot of ways the woman now has all the power in the relationship. She can at any time of her choosing fuck your life up and the police and the courts will hold you down while she fucks you in the ass.

Divorce courts and the law in general are so one sided in the woman's favor that you are an idiot if you put yourself in a position where a woman can hurt you.

You haven't swallowed the Red Pill if you think you can still safely get married by maintaining frame. The idea of maintaining frame is fantasy made up by frauds who don't want to admit that their wives have them by the balls.

ActOutside4853 · 2021-01-23T13:46:14+00:00

I'll do you a favor, and be the guy with the advice you'll remember post crashes: "forget the whole idea", (esoteric discussions will not fix the problem, or prevent wasting your life, nor prevent you from being screwed.)

Just forget women.... like they never existed... and you'll be 1000X better off.

silly_birb · 2021-01-23T15:01:13+00:00

if most of the hardships with women could be avoided by holding your frame

Patrice O'Neil used to agree with this vision, he said "a man should act like a pimp to his woman" and "a queen is just the king's bitch"

Redpill thinks there's a way to keep a woman if you win the game of power but, imo, it's not true.

Mgtow can be summarized with the Briffault's law

"the female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place."

So even if you have the upperhand in the relationship it's still not as loving as you think because you need to make her fear losing those benefits every day.

Bluepilled men are just those that gave women safty of the benefits they provide for the woman, thus such women cheat as per Briffault's law states.

mkt1122 · 2021-01-23T17:40:51+00:00

Simple math from your own text...

As you know all women are hypergamous in nature ? Yes ... so she will leave you for better man ? Hence she will treat you bad no matter what you do..

As you know 100% women wants top 10% men.. women don’t mind sharing best man than settle with one loyal but beta man provider...

AWALT my friend AWALT

nitro-666 · 2021-01-23T20:17:42+00:00

You are not wrong but, as others have said, it's just a matter of time. I'm talking from experience, I was bluepilled as fuck but somehow I was always adamant in not accepting from my gfs some disrespectful behaviors I'd seen in my family. And yeah, it makes a difference... in the beginning. It's like bailing out the water of a boat that's sinking. Yeah, you'll be afloat a bit more time, but the ending is the same one.

saiwat · 2021-01-23T23:29:43+00:00

My theory is that AWALT is not true to the letter, but true in practice. I am no mgtow big shot, but we all range on the red pill "spectrum". It all depends who you ask. There is no manifesto, no central mgtow authority defining what some hive mind thinks. Nor what you describe as "whole red pill". Whole by whose authority? Avoid marriage and cohabitation, that's it.

aniani04 · 2021-01-24T02:13:06+00:00

That's a very good question, I had it in my mind years ago and went ahead exploring, this is what I concluded:
- You'll get the best sex and treatment from women when they respect you as a man. (I was broke and bitches flew to come over)
- When you have multiple bitches, you feel too confident, which shows on your behavior that youtubers refer to as " HOLD FRAME BRUH".
- What if I told you that I have multiple slaves now that address me as my lord, they know they're slaves and they know I have other slaves, which makes them behave. Fuck it, I'll post evidence since most thinks we're some incels around here lol.

- I even tested the theory of showing weakness on a long term girlfriend that I had before I go into slaves only mode, and I confirm. If you wanna let go of a girl that could cause you issues, pretend that you're sad to lose her even though she did something very bad like cheating on you, say that you loved her and would like to give it a second chance but you can't. The point act smart and think long term.
- Every single girl that you see has a very deep whorish side, and she picks VERY WISELY who can see it, if she shows that side to you, she'll be your bitch forever.
- In the midst of all of this, I truly only enjoy time when I'm alone. When I can play some games, read some shit, watch videos... It took me a while to enjoy my own company after I tried to find it everywhere else.
- Sex is overrated and not worth the hasstle.
- The highest form of manhood you can reach in my humble opinion is when you say No to a "ready to fuck" pussy. You fucking transcend, I can't describe it, if I try it would be something like this: Imagine your soul, your body, your mind, your instincts, your essence, all of them lined up when you say No to pussy. The dick can be mad at you, but you unlock a different level of being able to enjoy yourself.

Title	AWALT?
Author	qEagleStrikerp
Upvotes	18
Comments	31
Date	January 23, 2021 12:58 AM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/l31ll8/awalt/
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