How Can I Help?

Dadeh · 2019-05-22T17:18:02+00:00

I'm sure we appreciate the sentiment, but we don't need your help achieving our goals.

You aren't the only chameleon to come stomping on here trying to pull this "I sympathize and understand you guys" charade you have going here.

We don't need your support, validation, and we don't want it.

melanie13241 · 2019-05-22T17:18:51+00:00

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m5ufo · 2019-05-22T17:16:16+00:00

Yawn

swankvagabond · 2019-05-22T17:21:36+00:00

No. Bye.

LiveTheTruth321 · 2019-05-22T17:19:56+00:00

You cannot fix something damaged beyond repair.

DonnegalBreeze · 2019-05-22T17:36:15+00:00

Jesus what an obnoxious cunt. Go get your attention elsewhere.

Marque01 · 2019-05-22T17:50:13+00:00

Hahaha. Deleted within 30 minutes of posting. Later!

Unexpecter · 2019-05-22T17:22:52+00:00

There is nothing that can be done. Things will never change and we are not trying to change anything anyway. The society needs to fall in order to correct itself (at least for a while before it come to this shit again).

Darthai · 2019-05-22T17:29:41+00:00

I appreciate that you want to do good. But mgtow isn't about fixing social issues as most men who choose to go their own way do it not just because men are disposable in the eyes of state/justice system but they had enough with the gynocentrism and the nature of average female. Each man here has their own ways that they take with the aim of being happy on his own and to achieve his personal dreams without becoming a utility to any female. Perhaps you can post this in the MRA subreddit where you can have some answers that you want, and you can also check Cassie Jaye's Redpill the movie and Karen Straughan's YouTube channel.

ConstantChinner · 2019-05-22T17:42:05+00:00

LOL. Fuck off, cunt.

melanie13241 · 2019-05-22T17:48:46+00:00

I'm not sure whether you're a troll or whether you're genuine.

Assuming the latter --- i.e. that you really believe what we say here --- and truly want to help men, then try red-pilling them. Many are so blue-pilled that they simply won't hear the truth from men, for fear of being "misogynist", such is their conditioning. However, hearing it from a woman will likely help them overcome that fear. It did in my case.

breadoflife · 2019-05-22T17:49:03+00:00

Things that need to change but won't because women are currently a lost cause. I've been around for awhile trying to change ideas but it is a Chasing of wind. Regardless here is the list.

Revoke womens suffrage. Submit to men.
Get rid of no fault divorce.
Criminalize abortion ALL circumstances.
God leads men so men can lead women.
Prison for false allegations and or libelous behaviour.
Only single women should be allowed to work away from home or have a job.
No women should ever be in charge of a man in an position of authority.
Any women that is caught in adultery and leading on men when already married will have to pay a percentage of their earnings if they have any.
Outlaw all the SJW garbage and homosexuality that women usually spearhead with their protests.
Introduce modesty laws with fines.
Separate mens and womens groups, clubs, schools, etc.
Return the courts to men.
Give women back their intended purpose of being a helper to man.

melanie13241 · 2019-05-22T17:43:11+00:00

I will delete my post because I can see that the overwhelming majority does not want my help. It saddens me but there isn't much I can do about it. I'll leave you guys be. Sorry for intruding.

the_emerald_ingot · 2019-05-22T17:47:59+00:00

You want to help? Ok. This is what you have to do:

Convince all women (as a group) to vote against their own benefit (at the detriment of men as a group) in favor of fair laws.

Abortion ban in Alabama? As much as I am pro choice, it's fair right now, because guess what? Men can't abort anywhere. Period. If a woman can choose not to carry a child to term, then within the timeframe that she has that choice, men should have the right to surrender all rights and responsibility. That means no child support, no visitation rights, no right to knowledge of the childs medical situation, etc. That would be fair.

Family courts? The last time anything changed in favor of men was when Florida rolled back some of their alimony laws. Why did they do that? Because some women were having to pay alimony to their ex husbands. In the modern world, where women are able to provide for and support themselves, legally speaking, alimony is an outdated and patriarchal practice. Feminism should be looking to remove it, not support it.

Eliminate VAWA and the Duluth Model of domestic violence. It holds men as the primary aggressor in all situations, with (almost) no exception. Its sexist and discriminatory. Even with the current gender neutral wording, the courts still disproportionately hold men as the aggressor and the women as the victim in nearly all circumstances. In fact, with Johnny Depp's situation, the only reason he wasn't charged with domestic violence was because he had a ridiculously huge amount of evidence. So fix that.

Recognize that the Gender Pay Gap is a myth. In reality, they way they figure the whole "77 cents to the dollar" figure is by averaging all womens income against all mens income. It's an earnings gap, not a pay gap. It doesnt account for women who choose to go onto more life-fulfilling careers rather than more financially rewarding careers. It doesnt account for hours worked. It doesnt account for experience in the field, or time taken off to be a mother, or any other factor that may skew her ultimate earnings. Its just assumed to be the result of sexism in the workplace. When Google, BBC, and other companies do surveys about how much they're paying their employees, they've found that they're paying their female employees higher than their male employees. If anything, men are starting to become underpaid.

On the social side of things, convince women that promiscuity may be their right, but it lowers their value in the eyes of most men. On top of that, it has a scientifically proven detriment to the ability to commit to a single partner long term, and directly causes high divorce rates. 70% of all divorces are initiated by women.

Overall, stop demonizing men as potential rapists, abusers, and patriarchal oppressors just because of the way they were born. If you tell someone how much you hate them because of who they are, as often and consistently as feminism does, is it any wonder that they begin to hate you back?

If you want an equal society, then apply the same damn rules to everyone equally. No special privileges, no artificial or legal restrictions. Treat people the same and let them succeed or fail by their own merits. Right now, women are the privileged class in society, and their using their privilege to actively oppress men. And the men that will do anything to get laid will help them do it just for the chance of getting their dicks wet.

Stop it. Fix your shit. Make society fair. Women made this problem, so women have to fix it. Until you do, I'll keep going my own way. While society burns itself to the ground, I'll roast a marshmallow and make s'mores. Honk fucking honk.

Edit: guess she ran away. Shows how much she really wanted to help, didn't she. sigh

GarethBarry13 · 2019-05-22T17:51:05+00:00

Hi,

It's difficult how you've phrased your question because MGTOW means completely different things to different people.

For me my main issue is too many people in general are shitty and to engage in a contract with any individual in which we both agreed to which there is over 50% chance will be broken and when it does there is 90% chance that I'm the one left significantly worse off.

I'm not american but If I had to pay alimony to an individual who committed infidelity, thereby funding her and the other mans lifestyle would destroy me.

I wouldn't exactly say I was MGTOW though, just there is many principle and behaviours coming from forums like these that almost perfectly explain behaviour patterns of individuals that is seemingly ignored by the outside world. Helping me and others avoid future issues down the line due to simply never being explained how this aspect of life works.

There are many females who view men as resources and that I could invest in my life in to someone who views me as such, isn't a nice prospect. I personally like that women are becoming more engaged in the world and pursue their careers and dreams

During the modern period women have shown to be just as manipulative as men, yet if a man makes an accusation, due process will occur and both sides will be heard fairly providing less incentive for the men to lie however females are treated as if they are incapable of wrong and are instantaneously believed through fear of appearing sexist and in one fell swoop your entire reputation will be destroyed. It's simply easier to try to engage as little as possible as a result.

Due to the obvious nature of this sub people will oppose you post but regardless of your view on MGTOW, trying to understand without instantly judging is a little more of what the world needs at the moment.

Title	How Can I Help?
Author	melanie13241
Upvotes	0
Comments	49
Date	May 22, 2019 5:13 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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