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Our morality is based on a plentiful planet with enough for everybody. On a space ship with limited resources, it becomes everyman for themselves and adopting a new morality that may not favour females at all.

Mra666ly

June 19, 2018

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https://wearethenewmalearmy.wordpress.com/2016/09/28/no-pigs-in-space/

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Title	Our morality is based on a plentiful planet with enough for everybody. On a space ship with limited resources, it becomes everyman for themselves and adopting a new morality that may not favour females at all.
Author	Mra666ly
Upvotes	18
Comments	19
Date	June 19, 2018 9:39 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/8scqti/our_morality_is_based_on_a_plentiful_planet_with/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MGTOW/our-morality-is-based-on-a-plentiful-planet-with.539731 https://theredarchive.com/post/539731

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[–]HansKrinkelSchneider 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]Mra666ly[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Mad_Dog-Philosopher0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You misunderstood my meaning. Balance in a closed system with very limited resources would have to mean equal contributions from all members of this hypothetical colony vessel. Since every member of the vessel requires almost the same amount of resources just to stay alive, such a system could not sustain itself if it followed the kind of egalitarian model used in the western world.

Such system would require statistically equal contributions from all members of the crew. Such a system would require extreme attention being paid to the mental well being of the crew, or it would kill itself. For this end, some sort of very well trained artificial-intelligence would need to be used as an assistant when making decisions affecting the survival of the crew. In some instances, human nature would have to be overruled by shipboard law in order to keep everyone from killing each-other by purpose or by unintended consequence.

Someone playing a game of all-or-nothing for resources on a spaceship with zero regard paid for the well being of the environment and the rest of the crew would significantly jeopardize the survival chances of the entire vessel.

[–]Mra666ly[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I do appreciate your reply, but your solution favours females over men. Ex:

Females are weak and can not effectively do hard labour. Men can. And they can continue into old age without much of a dip in strength.

Why would males be happy to do all the hard work while females do easy work they can manage. It's better to have males drone their entire life and have the females live a life of relative luxury until their reproductive viability is no more. Then they can be kindly euathanised knowing that they did their part with little to no work involved.

Space will bring a new morality. If a person is not physically capable of supporting themselves without having to usurp the labour done by stonger, their life is limited. I personally wouldn't be happy working an extra 3 hours a day to produce the energy and resourses that a female required to live. I'd rather put her down that work the extra every day, thank you very much.

[–]Mad_Dog-Philosopher0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Since you still misunderstood, I will reiterate and explain yet again in further detail.

Such a system would require equal contributions, as such admissions on-to such a colony vessel would have to be based on proven merit. E.g a women have to be physically and mentally able to do at least 90% of the jobs a man can do aboard a colony ship. This would include maintenance, food production (hydrophonics), repair and administration tasks.

I also dispute your claim of women being unable to do hard work. They are able, although not with similar endurance and strength as men, but largely unwilling. Modern society steers women towards non-physical jobs, hence over a couple of centuries most women are to do hard farm-work and such. Necessity forces action. Since there will be no beta orbiters onboard a colony vessel to carry the weight of a female crew-member, she literally has to earn her own oxygen and food.

By the looks of your last paragraph, we're on the same page here. Main point I hold is that for a colony vessel to survive, everyone has to be able to work as a team. No, this would not mean women get free passes, it would mean women are treated as PEOPLE and not privileged vagina carriers. Men would also be treated as PEOPLE and both would be objectively and rationally judged by a system that holds safeguards against tampering.

[–]Mra666ly[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Mad_Dog-Philosopher0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

First, stop putting words in my mouth. Either you're deliberately misunderstanding me or you're applying an agenda on me that is simply false. Secondly, you seem to hold the notion that simply having on average more musculature automatically translates to more work tasks done and thus you're automatically resentful. Your upper and lower body strength aren't that important when tending hydroponics aboard a colony ship. Hydroponics which produce the food and air used by everyone. Or a thousand and one other tasks where physical strength is not the most important yard-stick for measuring results. Women would have to work harder to overcome the differences aboard a spaceship, both to keep themselves fit and to maintain the environment.

My point is not to protect the women, it is to protect everyone aboard said vessel. Otherwise said environment fails and EVERYONE aboard it fucking dies. Protecting the ship and the balance means protecting every person (man, woman, child) aboard it. You probably shouldn't board the thing in the first place.

[–]Mra666ly[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hydroponics? That's a big word. And a big set up. Water talks. Huge bags of nitrites. Put putting together such a huge set up. I mean actually build it. What if we colonise a planet. The greenhouse has to be kept somewhere. Probably a lava tube that needs to be sealed and kitted out. Women will do this as well?

The thing you forget about is the human emotion resent. I would be mighty resentful if I went to all that work and effort for some females to 'tend to the crops' which men wouldnt be able to tend to because we would be doing the hard work.

There is absolutely not one thin a female can do that a male can do, if not better. Except for breeding babies. After the age of 30 it's to dangerous to have them breed.

Off with their heads as we have young ones that can still breed while we men do all the hard work.

As for protecting women is to protect everyone on the ship. Why have you only used the term 'protect women'? Should the woman protect the men in order to pretext everybody?

Don't get me wrong. Even the injured get offed when they can't provide. Only children and females under 30 would get benevolent protection. Everyone else sadly must give it up for the good of the while. Supporting weak women who eat all the crops while tending to them (fucking land whales) of the disabled males no sense while trying to take the human race forward.

[–]Mad_Dog-Philosopher1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Machines will be doing it. No point leaving vital tasks fully under the mercy of human physical strength. We've been using machines to help with construction for a while now.

Not forgetting human emotion, trying to make you understand that the adult humans who would be responsible for keeping this thing alive would be expected to control themselves. If a female tends the crops for 4 hours a day and operates fork-lifts the next 8, while you're expected to do some do work where men perform better like physical maintenance for 5 hours and administrative tasks for another 5 hours, would you resent your workload in comparison to women?

I'll reiterate. Since every human being from teenager and upwards would be required to contribute, each would have to be fit enough to do so. If it requires both sexes to remain in excellent physical condition, then they would have to do so. Anyone unwilling to agree to this, would not be allowed aboard in the first place.

Every adult human being aboard this craft would help protect each-other and the survival of the mission.

I don't think offing people after 30 is a good motivator towards building a survivable system for a colony vessel. You seemed to understand the human emotion of resentment well enough. Try applying it.