Quick question.

Machoman6661 · 2019-12-13T22:40:06+00:00

How much of the MGTOW community exists because of bad experiences with women? Just discovered this subreddit and i'm confused as to why this is a...

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For me, it was personal experiences before I ever knew MGTOW existed. Finding MGTOW just let me know I wasn't alone in my thinking.

The more you understand and look out at society and it's history you will see that it has been there all along. Just under different or no names.

A guy referring to his wife as "the old ball & chain" referencing marriage as a prison.

The entire show "Married with children" and its "NO MA'AM" club.

If you keep reading here you will see guys finding references in religion, philosophy, history, etc. As long as society and the idea of marriage has existed, so too have ideas similar to MGTOW. Now, we just have a catchy name. That and the proliferation of near-instant communications means we can see these trends happening real time all over the world as long as you manage to recognize and toss out the BS fake news.

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I’ve had bad as well as good experiences with women some heartache but also some amazing times, same as i’ve had good and bad experiences with men.

The thing is, most good experiences with men are truthful whereas "good" experiences with women are just them trying to gain more control or power without actually having any real will to be nice. The women who deprive their husbands of sex to control him more easily never had a genuine good experience with the man.

What makes men different that the statement “99% of them following the same programming” would be false?

Men are simply far more different in terms of actual thoughts (on politics, art, music, hobbies, jobs) but a lot more logic and simple in terms of reactions (not making stupid games, and being honestly thankful towards those who do good things for them).
Whereas most women's thoughts and actions are identical to a point it's not even funny anymore. When you see a group of men, you generally face different personalities, when you see a group of women, you generally could just swap their brains and nothing would change. Their tactics of complaining/shaming/crying/screaming also never change. Their general laziness and incredible entitlement is also sadly insanely common, women love doing things "for you" that you never asked for, and then act as if you had a debt towards them.

[–]Machoman6661[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Isn’t a lot of radical feminist ideas about men is that all they want is sex and to hurt them and objectify them? So isn’t you basically having a mirrored view on sexes while being anti feminist just kinda unaware if you’re movement is supposed to be superior to theirs?

Do you believe those difference are biological or cultural in the way women are raised and in the guidelines in which it’s acceptable for them to be in society? There are plenty of women who speak out, on and offline but don’t mgtow criticize them for doing that as well?

Another point you brought up about differences between male and female social groups, isn’t it possible our social groups form for different reasons? All social groups have common ground somewhere to stick together, be it in ways of thinking, political and social and it’s only when you’re a part of that group where the differences start to show? A woman looking at a group of guy friends just sitting around playing videogames or sports or something would only have an outside view of the group. Same as you with a female social group

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So isn’t you basically having a mirrored view on sexes while being anti feminist just kinda unaware if you’re movement is supposed to be superior to theirs?

Never said all women want is sex, and while men are effectively objectified it's generally not on a sexual level but on a materialistic one.

Do you believe those difference are biological or cultural in the way women are raised and in the guidelines in which it’s acceptable for them to be in society? There are plenty of women who speak out, on and offline but don’t mgtow criticize them for doing that as well?

The differences are biological, we are hard-wired differently and that's normal, it's what evolution does, though a lot of modern problems are the culture failing to resolve the problems of the biology and even amplifying them. Women who speak out are theoretically nice good women, the problem is that you can never be certain what they're saying is actually genuine or what they actually care and don't just want to date in a market they know isn't saturated of women.

A woman looking at a group of guy friends just sitting around playing videogames or sports or something would only have an outside view of the group. Same as you with a female social group

Not sure where you're going with that last paragraph, but I don't have to be in a female social group to know that women hate other women, that they make for toxic workplace environment (they complain about it all the time both on medias and in real life) and are less productive than men.
I don't quite understand why you're comparing groups of men and groups of women, to me it's as useful as comparing groups of cats and groups of squirrels.

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You misunderstood my first point. Mgtow view women as manipulative harlots that only exist to make men miserable or at least that’s how it’s seemed so far, while radical feminists believe all men are boorish sex crazed maniacs who only exist to oppress women. Both groups have a very harsh monolithic view of the sexes

For the second point, yes males and females are physically different but we unlike most other animals have our personalities molded by the people around us, our parents and as society as a whole. Do you believe women are just incompatible and are evil by nature instead of it being some fucked up social construct that can and should be changed for the better of everyone? What about butch women and women who don’t subscribe to traditional gender roles or stereotypes all the grease monkeys, chess masters and basically any girl that isn’t all too girly

And my third point is, you seem to be getting your ideas of women from an outsiders perspective, there are problems with women in our society where being bitchy and cutthroat to each other is the norm but guys aren’t perfect, guy groups also have problems too and do you just not believe men and women are compatible either? We’re not like cats and squirrels, we’re the same species. It really sounds like a hell of a lot of personal bad blood more than objective analysis

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You misunderstood my first point. Mgtow view women as manipulative harlots that only exist to make men miserable or at least that’s how it’s seemed so far, while radical feminists believe all men are boorish sex crazed maniacs who only exist to oppress women. Both groups have a very harsh monolithic view of the sexes

Our point is based on reality though, not on feelings. And while maybe not every woman likes to make men miserable, society is entirely pushing for them to do so and giving them all the weapons. Any sane child put from birth into the hands of jihadist would become dangerous, same with women and this feminist era.

Do you believe women are just incompatible and are evil by nature instead of it being some fucked up social construct that can and should be changed for the better of everyone?

No individual or small group of men has the power to change any of that, and yes women are incompatible by nature because it's how they've survived and had children. Men had to help each other to survive and have babies later, while women shot each other in the foot to try to get the Alpha's attention and have the best kids possible in terms of genetics. Women's evilness, which is simply selfishness and a complete absence of morals or empathy is a result of thousands of years of biological engineering.

What about butch women and women who don’t subscribe to traditional gender roles or stereotypes all the grease monkeys, chess masters and basically any girl that isn’t all too girly

I don't know in detail all the specific lesbian mental illnesses (had to google what a "butch woman" is) but it's generally just them dealing in an unhealthy way with the cognitive dissonance between reality and the equality narrative. They try as much as they can to pretend they are dudes even though it's painfully obvious they aren't, and they generally imitate us very badly.
They think that to have authority like a man they have to scream (no it just makes you look like a nagging bitch), they think to appear more menacing they need short hair like men (no it just makes you look unhealthy and unattractive)...
"Chess masters and non-girly girls" are just facades, though for the first one they at least have some genuine skill in something.

And my third point is, you seem to be getting your ideas of women from an outsiders perspective, there are problems with women in our society where being bitchy and cutthroat to each other is the norm but guys aren’t perfect, guy groups also have problems too and do you just not believe men and women are compatible either? We’re not like cats and squirrels, we’re the same species. It really sounds like a hell of a lot of personal bad blood more than objective analysis

My ideas are from experiences lived by myself, by other men I know and by other men I do not know. Guys are not perfect but it's very very rare for a guy to be as cunning or cowardly as a girl, guys avoid those they dislike or fight with them, whereas women engage a full-on nuclear war via petty manipulation and lies behind each other's backs.
I didn't have 1/20th of the "personal bad blood" some men here have, I've just observed how relationships affect every man around me who is in one, and the result is always the same: putting up with bullshit all the time and suffering, before being happy to finally be free of the bitch. If I look at studies and scientific data online, it's the same thing, if I look at experiences from men I do not know it's the same thing.
When you've seen so many people burn their hands in a fire and empirical data tells you to not put your hand in the fire, you do not fecking do it and you accept that fire burns.

Men and women being "compatible" doesn't mean much for me, yes on some things and no on others.

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Title	Quick question.
Author	Machoman6661
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Comments	25
Date	December 13, 2019 10:40 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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