I'm starting to think anger and violence is not morally wrong in certain cases like against delusional male feminists supporting more anti-male laws and propaganda, cheating women, white knights that have allowed their daughters/women of their society to degenerate into whores which are praised as goddesses while men are worse than garbage, especially white knight fathers, cops, politicians, etc.
Am I correct? It's starting to seem rational to me and like people who deny that it's rational are just coping?
Fact is the very governments that these "morally righteous" virtue signalling fags support actively murder people en mass anyway....yet they support these actions anyway with no justification.... it seems like they're all brainwashed sheep just being TOLD what morality is good/bad for the purpose of controlling populations and regulating us, keeping us subservient.
I want to make it VERY clear that I WILL NOT and do not condone any kind of violence, since it's illegal, but I'm just wondering whether you guys think it's morally wrong in these cases and I'm questioning that?
Obviously it is not wrong to kill an invading soldier in the self defense of your own son for example, everyone should agree on this? So why would it be wrong to kill those who are destroying our society, families, children, siblings, etc but just doing it more subtly? The results are the same: suicide, depression, murder, gender wars, end of marriage, end of childbirth, it may as well be genocide.
It is honestly starting to seem unhealthy to me to repress the rage this SHOULD cause, we are told by society 'suppress your masculinity', 'toxic', 'rage and anger are bad'.... are they really tho? Doesn't it seem somewhat beta, feminine, in denial, weak, trodden over, and stupid to be told we shouldn't be angry because it's bad for our health and women don't like an angry male, while we continuously get shit on by the people telling us this? What if being reasonable and explaining truth no longer is effective, for example, feminists that refuse logic/communication and have taken away male power? It seems like brainwashing to me now to be told to lay down and take it up the ass. What if these actions are good sometimes, or at least morally excusable, like righteous anger?
Not only that, but these people have LITERALLY destroyed the moral values that once existed in society, and even indoctrinate children into believing immoral behaviour/what was once considered serious sins as 'good, normal and justifiable when you feel like it, as necessary for equality, as necessary for freedom of choice since our daughter should choose who she wants to be with (=fuck 300 men by age 22) etc and so on".
I really look forward to hearing your responses to these questions! Best wishes MGTOW brothers, may virtue and wisdom come to all of you.
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Violence is wrong.
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In a "civilized" society of law & order, yes.
The question is: at what point does the breakdown (or abandonment by authorities) of the latter... END the former?
I'm not certain we're truly there yet... but we're definitely getting close. (And of course, YMMV... much depends on the specifics in one's local area.)
-- Also, beware the "blue pill" present in that attitude towards "violence" -- to wit:
-- Finally, one must remember that "morality" is a HUMAN construct (and even within that "violence" IS allowed even EXPECTED and considered a DUTY in certain circumstances, both as a defensive reaction, AND as a means of preventing harm from others).
-- But beyond that... "violence" is part of NATURE; and creatures who disavow their "civilized humanity" and claim to simply be yet another kind of "animal" -- controlled by "animalistic" drives and "evolutionary" mechanisms -- well, IMO they place themselves right back in that natural state: in which case they should not be surprised when "survival of the fittest" once again becomes the primary rule.
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I didn't say violence doesn't solve problems, I said violence is wrong.
But the problems it solves are subjective, violence being wrong is objective.
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-- And you are 100% WRONG about that.
In part because you made the statement WITHOUT any context or caveat, without ANY clarification or exception... among other things this renders you a pathetic entirely submissive, subordinate "cuck" (and I say that not to "shame" you, but simply as a matter of FACT).
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This is HILARIOUS. You have ZERO basis to declare it to be "wrong" -- in your worldview there is no such thing as "right" OR "wrong"; there is NO SUCH THING AS "objectivity," everything in an "atheistic" worldview is by definition arbitrary and subjective -- you may have a "legal code" and a "societal norm" and thus "violence may be 'illegal' for you"... but you have NO MORAL CODE, ergo you stating that it is "wrong" is entirely facile, even farcical.
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I'm 100% right.
It did have context violence is wrong. Do you feel violence against you is right?
Also, it is literally impossible to shame me, so don't feel you need to apologize. If anything, that seems submissive. :)
An atheistic world view is no different than a religious world view. Any moral code can be derived from common ascent. Just like with your skyfairie worship.
If violence isn't wrong why is it declared wrong (in principle, not in skyfairy action) for thousands of years?
And I can unilaterally declare objective moral codes. I just did.
I say violence is wrong. If you think it is, defend how violence is right.
I said violence is wrong, but can be necessary. That's ok. There's nothing saying you can't do "wrong" things, but admitting your flaws is helpful.
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I wasn't "apologizing" dipshit, I was mansplaining to make certain you didn't misunderstand...
Yet not surprisingly, you didn't "get it" anyway.
-- And you do know that you're repeated use of the phrasing "skyfairie" really just renders you as an IDIOT, and -- much like your statement about Greeks all being "pedos" demonstrates how IGNORANT you fundamentally are (and puhleaase spare me the claims of some "degree" from a modern university, I'll only bust out laughing) -- and moreover exactly WHO has brainwashed you. (Not as if I don't already know.)
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ROTFLMAO.
Not only ignorant, but disingenuous as well.
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He didn't include the qualification, he said "violence is wrong."
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The opposite of jumping off the LEFT side of a bridge is not to jump off the RIGHT side of the bridge.
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To people who are douchey, doubtless just about everything looks douchey.
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Hush little tradcon don't say a word, mommas going to buy you a mocking bird.
Are we back on me "getting" it again? That's why you can't read "the secret", you end up buying into religious propaganda.
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In a way yes... because you really obviously don't.
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Says the person who's beliefs (almost) entirely align with the present* orthodoxy... gee golly whiz, Wally I wonder how that happened?
* Or at least the one that was "fashionable" when you were a bit younger.
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Oh junior, you have your own "illusions"... a vastly huge array of them, so many they're beyond count... and yet you're entirely unaware that ANY of them are exactly that (and worse actually).
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Stabbing someone with a knife is wrong, yet surgery with a scalpel is ok to save a life.
Don't go the slippery slope "technical" nonsense. Don't be shallow and pedantic, that's my job.
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Violence is wrong, and violence is selfish. If less people subscribed to that, the world would have less problems.
Don't be so excited to be violent, it ends up visiting itself upon you.
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-- It is important to know the proper TIME and PLACE.
Within a CIVIL, peaceful society... it is both wrong and perilous to INITIATE the use of force, especially violent force... because that disrupts the "peace"; it destroys the order and undermines the society, and likely leads to your own defeat.
-- HOWEVER... that presumes that one is still LIVING IN a "civil/civilized" and peaceful society -- one where "law and order" is being maintained (or at least attempting to be maintained) by those in authority.
That the "authorities" have not wholly abandoned (or perverted/corrupted) their role as "keepers of law & order" -- in an IMPARTIAL and JUST manner (not "respecting the person" {i.e. not being BIASED by prejudice or favoritism towards or against any particular person or group})...
-- The DIFFICULT thing is to know IF & WHEN that line has been irrevocably crossed -- not just a single instance or error -- but wholesale.
The MORE difficult thing then -- at that point, when that "line" has been "crossed" -- is to know WHAT to do about it...
-- To quote the first two lines from Kipling's If poem:
-- Or again to note the Wisdom from Sun Tzu:
-- And, again Sun Tzu notes the best "strategy" is NEVER to give in to "rage" and "impulse" but to be purposeful and sober about it... to wit:
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I feel your pain bro
The short answer is that you need to change hearts and minds with words - not fists - it can't be done with violence. However we are up against a foe far more powerful than people want to admit. These people are heavily brainwashed. Imagine trying to convince a flat earther that the world is round... It's nearly impossible because all the evidence is already around them, they just need to open their eyes. Their believe isn't based on truth. This is the caliber of our foe.
This is no easy fight - but you will never convince people with violence. You need to convince all the people you can who aren't too far gone. And be willing to shun those who are too far gone. Be a paragon of good and truth and people will follow your ideas.
I'm always get into online debates with people, not because I'm going to convince them, but because I might convince an onlooker. I have a better chance of convincing then when I'm on my best behavior.
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There's an experiment you can do where you measure the length of a shadow at certain time of day at two different points on the globe.
If they come out at the same length then the world is flat. Otherwise it's not.
Edit: I think that's the easiest proof but I suggest you look up how to do the experiment. There's other methods too.
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