There is one thing I never really understood about MGTOW

antifeminist435 · 2018-11-22T19:14:58+00:00

MGTOW is, in part, walking away from a system that is biased against men. You speak about contraception. Here is contraception:

Women are not treated equally under the law; men are treated worse. A women can bring a child into the world and still not be held legally responsible for the child. She can give the child up for adoption, or literally drop that baby off at a hospital/police station anonymously and escape all financial responsibility for the baby. Men can't. If the woman keeps the baby, she's still not financially responsible for it. If she can't afford the baby, she gets money from the government. If the father can't afford child support, he goes to jail. So the mother and father get treated legally in directly opposite fashion, based only on the gender of the parent. Since the father goes to jail if he can't afford child support, equal treatment under the law would mean the woman goes to jail if she can't afford child support. No one would support that. Or, give custody to the man, put him on welfare and put the woman in jail if she can't afford jail support. No one would agree to that. But that's the way it is for men, and everyone thinks it's ok because it's just men being screwed over.

Women do have reproductive choice, but not men. Women have choice but not obligation. Men have obligations based on women's choices. See above.

Women are not required to be responsible for their own choices. A condom (under control of the man) is ten times less effective as birth control than the pill, progesterone injection or IUD. So all the effective forms of birth control are under the sole control of the woman. But a woman can choose:

not to use birth control
not to use the morning-after pill
not to use the RU-486 abortion pill
not to get an abortion

and because of the above 4 choices, choose to bring a child into the world and still not be required to be responsible financially for exercising these choices. But the taxpayer (welfare) and the father are responsible for implementing her choices. Woman have reproductive choice, but not financial responsibility, men have responsibility based on women's choices. This is reproductive inequality.

Feminists often say 'he has the choice to keep his dick in his pants.' This is a strawman argument, because a woman's consent to have sex does not mean consent to be a parent, nor consent to be financially responsible for the child. But a man's consent for sex does mean financial responsibility based on the woman's choices.

This is unequal reproductive rights. In fact, the woman's ability to displace the consequences of her choices onto other bodies (government, the father), means other people bear the consequences of the woman's choice. I define here the word power as the ability to make a decision and displace, at least in part, the consequences onto other people. Women have unilateral reproductive power. Power without responsibility is tyranny.

And feminists say it's not good enough yet. This means it's not biased enough in favor of women for the feminists to call it 'equality'. When Trump stopped funding Planned Parenthood, forcing women to pay for their own reproductive choices, feminists said this was a denial of their reproductive rights. Feminists have made it clear that women's reproductive rights means 'the right' to force other people to pay for the woman's reproductive choices, and that the woman must not be financially responsible for her own choices. Irresponsible.

And it doesn't take a village to raise a child. Married couples were doing it very successfully in the 1950's and for hundreds of years. In fact, prior to government eduction several hundred years ago, all education was done by the parents. So children took on the occupation of their parents. 'it takes a village to raise a child' is coined by Hillary Clinton.

Darth_Toenail · 2018-11-22T18:50:36+00:00

and its stance on things like contraception and abortion.

I'm sorry, do we have a manifesto now?

My stance is "if you don't want a baby, then keep it in your pants". Feminists are very fond of making this argument, but for some reason it drives them into hysterical rage whenever they hear it. Weird.

CeleritySteam · 2018-11-22T20:11:30+00:00

Over 9,000 words defending single mothers.

BEGONE THOT

hhhvgggvg · 2018-11-22T18:59:59+00:00

i aint got time to read all that shit mate im taking a fat dump

mountainbass · 2018-11-22T19:01:23+00:00

You can't take the opinions of 1,000s of different people and put it together like a Power Ranger and then declare the whole thing an inconsistent entity.

You can only detect hypocrisy within a single person or defined entity.

We are not a movement and we do not have an ideology, so you are just confused here.

user_miki · 2018-11-22T18:58:45+00:00

We condemn women bad decisions.They chose with whom to fuck, as along as is not rape.They have 11 methods of contraception and men have one(condom).

They shouldn't even put themselves in that position to have an abortion.They are stupid or they do it on purpose.I think both are valid.

I don't say accidents may happen, but what we see is an epidemic of single mothers supported by the state and tax payers while government hunts down the fathers.

" It takes two to tango, and it takes a village to raise a child. "

This is a bullshit feminist quote from H.Clinton

Women are gatekeeper of sex they chose the partner for sex not opposite.Men don't have reproductive rights.Women can chose to abort or give to adoption without father consent.

801735 · 2018-11-22T19:34:27+00:00

Bravo. I enjoy a decent waste of words when I see it.

Driadek · 2018-11-22T18:46:27+00:00

I think the point you're missing is it is bad decision making that got them into their position, even if their baby daddy was a dick and it's good she left, it's bad she had a baby with a dick. And if she's making decisions that lead her into unfavorable situations, what kind of decisions are you going to have to pay for down the road.

DrFeelFantastic · 2018-11-22T18:59:19+00:00

You're talking as if we all think the same. Although, we don't. However, I believe I've outlined the reasons I believe abortion to be wrong, pretty well. Those arguments don't just disappear because the often results of not aborting is a woman looking to have some random man act as a father to her children. Nor does feeling men shouldn't raise children who aren't their own justify abortion. See, things i are say in the context of what's best for society, going forward, not to explain, justify, excuse or any such thing, what is going on just now.

roadblumeta · 2018-11-22T19:32:08+00:00

Have you ever talked with anyone who held ALL of these positions?

[deleted] · 2018-11-22T19:42:41+00:00

call women evil, unempathetic monsters for not wanting to have kids and getting an abortion

It's very simple - if you don't want a child, don't make it.

keystonerrt · 2018-11-22T21:04:26+00:00

My view is women have total authority over their womb. Therefore they have total responsibility.

You cannot be responsible for something you cannot control.

Wampyr420 · 2018-11-22T20:43:27+00:00

Perhaps you should address your questions personally and separately to these MGTOW men that hold contradictory viewpoints on contraception and abortion.

MGTOW as a lifestyle choice recognizes that each man's situation in life is unique, we come from different backgrounds and live in different continents so we can't as a collective hold political ideologies.

DangZagnut · 2018-11-23T01:28:09+00:00

Personally I think abortions should be mandatory unless a one of the party is willing to take full financial liability for it with zero government involvement. Social programs for people that can't afford their kids should exist insofar as the child is stripped from the parent and the parties are jailed if they refuse to pay for the financial liability they signed on for.

No one should be forced to be pregnant, and no one should be forced to be financially liable for a pregnancy that didn't want.

I don't care how many abortions they get, it means there's less shitty parents and less traffic on the 405.

Older_Miggy · 2018-11-23T03:28:58+00:00

It doesn't take a village to raise a child, Hillary. It just takes a home with two loving and committed parents.

HuffPo is that way. -------->

DWShimoda · 2018-11-23T17:43:57+00:00

There has always been something that bugged me

I'm pretty sure just about EVERYTHING "bugs" you.

Here's the thing:

We don't give a shit what "bugs" you.

Just GTFO.

ThotGoBackToThotland · 2018-11-23T04:52:47+00:00

Another retarded inceltear simp

T-I-N-M-A-N · 2018-11-23T17:44:57+00:00

That’s some nice cherry picking and scenario manipulation your doing. There’s nothing wrong with having a choice and a safe way to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. Problem is it’s a one sided choice even though it took 2 to tango. A man can’t force a woman to abort a child he doesn’t want, but is forced to ‘raise’ or pay for that child. A man can’t stop a woman from terminating a pregnancy even if he wants to raise that child without anything from her. Then you get into the grey area of woman just using abortions as a method of birth control which is just disgustingly wrong imo. But the fact is, if a woman can choose to free her self from raising a child why can’t the man, he has every right to not want to be a part of a child’s life as she does. Inherently that woman chose to sleep with that man and that fault lies on her and the child suffers.

Single mothers don’t raise good men more often than not. Especially if there is no good male role model in that child’s life, Uncle, Grandfather, etc...unfortunately all you have to do is look at the Black community to see this. A man raised by all females that has no male presence in his life will act more feminine.

Not all single mothers are horrible, nor do all children of single mothers turn out the same, with or without a strong male presence. It’s a generalization of what we see in the majority in society.

Title	There is one thing I never really understood about MGTOW
Author	LiseranThistle
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Comments	35
Date	November 22, 2018 6:41 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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BEGONE THOT

We don't give a shit what "bugs" you.