So what would you call someone that actually wanted women's rights being taken away, women being in the home as wives and mothers, and other 100+ year conservative beliefs? Tradcons to me are people who put women on an absurd pedestal, encourage men to marry and have children in the face of horrible divorce and child custody laws, want men working hard for little to no personal benefit, etc. Essentially, tradcons want men to keep doing all the tradcon shit without having women do any or very little of the tradcon shit. So who what do you call someone who wants the full tradcon shit for society? I know I wouldn't want that personally, but there's got to be a way to distinguish neoconservatives from actual fully traditionally conservative people. Amish doesn't count as there's plenty of people here who think very conservatively who aren't Amish or tradcons as we call them.