Please compare. The "outside community" believes that MGTOW is similar to Incel. With the implosion, it only made matters worse.

I believe that MGTOW is the group of men that understand that sometimes pursuing a serious relationship is not always the best option, and there are alternatives to this societal norm. There are genuine concerns that we need to take into account, such as pre-nups, if we do decide to, and it needs to be a relationship beyond superficial values.

Incels seem to be more along the viewpoint of "If I treat her this nicely, she'll love me regardless" and "She's special, she's not that kind of girl". Oneinsim, female worshipers, that kind of stuff.

One main cause of concern I see is the way dating apps are treated. Some men use them as intended and move on, while others use the 80/20 rule to argue that dating apps are biased towards the upper 5% or whatever. This is TECHNICALLY a form of incel behavior, but is it justified?

Are there some people who are just an incestuous mix of the two, along with those that are TRULY MGTOW? I would love to hear your opinions on this.