Why do MGTOWs hate PUAS?

VenomBars4 · 2019-05-18T12:05:58+00:00

PUAs perpetuate a cycle of shitty societal norms that MGTOW would rather see abolished. It’s as simple as that.

swankvagabond · 2019-05-18T12:08:51+00:00

PUA cons men and interact women.

MGTOW saves men and avoid women.

PUA thinks MGTOW are gay and incels.

MGTOW knows that being PUA has 99% of being falsely accused of abuse/rape and believes in NAWALT.

Paladin2903 · 2019-05-18T12:24:47+00:00

I don’t hate PUA, I just think it’s largely bullshit, centered around making 💵💵💵.

The PUA “master,” which is usually a very good looking Chad, is always telling guys how easy it is, and various techniques, etc. Of course it’s fucking easy when you’re starting on third base, man. Lol.

Granted, these techniques might help the beta and omega males a little. Hell, they might even get a number or two. Great!

But largely, it’s just common sense shit, and at the end of the day, when it comes to picking up women for sex, the basics are....”be good looking, don’t be ugly.”

So, no one needs to buy an e-book for $49.99, or join a PUA monthly club, to figure out common sense, and that you really just need to be good looking to even be in the game at all.

GrisBosque · 2019-05-18T12:41:03+00:00

I dont think its hate. Just disgust and contempt.

Their prime motivation contaminates who they are. Basically they trade integrity for access... ie are Simp Princes on steriods.

The bad news for them is there will be karma.

Absolutely everything in the universe gets balanced.

Well except what you think you got away with right?

Hardly... there are no exceptions, the mechanisms are just not immediately obvious due to a time lag.

Karma is on a scale of time and intensity. Sometimes its instant, sometimes its at glacial velocities, but theres blowback to everything.

Individual and collective.

RedMeatTrinket · 2019-05-18T12:09:55+00:00

I didn't know they did.

manlikedetail · 2019-05-18T12:10:42+00:00

PUAs and MGTOW has nothing in common, other than knowing about female nature. PUAs derive validation from women, MGTOWs don't. PUAs have more in common with blue pill simps than with mgtow.

scaur · 2019-05-18T12:40:59+00:00

Because they exploit men.

krenovinspired · 2019-05-18T12:50:20+00:00

In the PUA world, how is "success" measured? By how much pussy you're banging. And where that pussy is on the "scale", 7/10, 8/10, etc. That's external validation.

How does a MGTOW measure success? However he wants to. He makes his world, and dgaf about what others think of his world. That's internal validation. A.k.a. peace.

You ask, why do mgtow hate pua. I would ask why do pua's find it necessary to diss the mgtow way? I think the answer is in the two statements I made.

klim_milk · 2019-05-18T13:18:32+00:00

Paying $$$$ to take courses, then paying $$$$ to change your "look", then paying $$$$ to go to places and try and make it with a chick, striking out and doing it again. Then coming back to pay $$$$ even more because it may or may not be working.

Oh, and if by some miracle, he gets a woman with this cringey PUA stuff, he's stuck with this same woman, performing like a circus monkey, defining his entire existence on whether he he gets validation from AWALT. And if he ends up stuck in a serious relationship, she's still AWALT. What a win. /s

AWALT aren't that complicated.

Don't have the energy to hate PUAs. But do you think an honest guy shouldn't call out harmful aspects of this racket?

MrMagtow · 2019-05-18T12:20:47+00:00

Past performance does not equal future returns.

jkarovskaya · 2019-05-18T12:32:59+00:00

Just because a bunch of thirsty P worshiping guys started making $ online and teaching classes doesn't mean men haven't realized what's up with PUA

There have been MGTOW males and PUA artists for as long as humans have existed.

AeternusDoleo · 2019-05-18T13:21:04+00:00

"Hate" would be a strong word. But I do have a disdain for those PUAs who tend to belittle or berate MGTOW (take YogiAbs for example). There's a tendency from them to (try to) shame us for opting out of the dating market entirely. And if you try to shame MGTOW - the response is going to be a mixture of ridicule, disdain and indifference.

I've often seen it theorized that PUAs see MGTOW as a threat to them, since anyone going their own way won't care for anything PUAs have to say or do. Personally? Those PUAs who are genuine, who want to help incels approach women, those are fine in my book. Even though it's leading men to the slaughter in most cases, it's men who are willing to go that route. Everyone's has their right to be stupid and suffer the consequences thereof. I don't think there needs to be much interaction between PUAs and MGTOW at all, but the fact that a lot of PUAs adopted the MGTOW label after MeToo gained traction kinda muddied those waters a bit.

Maximum_Afternoon · 2019-05-18T13:21:18+00:00

Hate??? Pffff.

I just think PUAs are workin' real hard to get something that's not worth much.

TheRealEyesWideOpen · 2019-05-18T14:00:53+00:00

I do ok with women - but I’m no PUA.

This is assuming I want anything to do with women; and outside the bedroom I don’t.

I think the big thing with PUAs is the pedalizing of pussy - making it the end all and be all of their existence. If that time was focused into earning money, learning a trade, feathering your own nest, they be further off ahead and have something for the future. This is GYOW.

I’m all about opportunity cost. In today’s society being in a LTR with a woman is financial and emotional suicide. All they can offer is sex - and that comes with a small but not zero risk; even if precautions are taken.

Hiring a pro is cheaper per act (Amsterdam + Germany), guaranteed performance, and the time saved “gaming her” can be spent building your own future. That plus porn to take the edge off makes life so much easier. I still casually date and hook up - but mostly while travelling.

Let’s face it boys, unless you want kids (and they are not yours in today’s society) there is no reason to have an LTR. As you age sex becomes less and less important. At 16-25 (its all you think about), 25-34(it’s a major driver in decisions), 35-45(it’s a hygienic want), 45-55(you will take it for minimal effort), 55+ (not really a deciding factor; maybe an afterthought )

GYOW and PUA are diametrically opposites - but I don’t hate anyone. Just like I don’t hate women; but once you understand them you cannot love them.

OatsGYOW · 2019-05-18T12:25:08+00:00

PUA use women for validation. Nothing good ever comes from that.

Title	Why do MGTOWs hate PUAS?
Author	housethatrockbuilt
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Comments	15
Date	May 18, 2019 12:04 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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