I heard about mgtow back in 2010 or something but because I didn't know awalt and still had hope and cared about the world since it's men's obligation to support society and we need good families and children to continue it I disagreed with how you went about your business.

Now with time I finally understand this society/civilization is beyond saving and the problem is women in 90% of relationships and lack of discipline and social ostracism divorce is where most marriages end up in.

But I think the key reason mgtow has and will continue to grow is because it tells men to put themselves first. To have self respect, self esteem and to not take some whore for a wife to get divorced just because it's your obligation. A lot of guys who end up happy on their own and don't succumb to societal pressure are basically mgtow.

I feel like mgtow misses the point or is somewhat misleading because it tells you to stay away from relationships. I think most mgtow would have no problems if you could find a unicorn and create a happy ideal family where you don't give up your happiness. I think a lot of guys may be turned off because of that and stay door mats and simps who prioritize women over themselves. When if you give men self respect they will automatically see 99% of women are trash and would have nothing to do with them.

Just my thoughts about it since I would have joined you guys a lot earlier if it was made clear this movement is telling men to put themselves above everyone else.