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[–]Anthony-waltzs197 points198 points199 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
“Women are natural givers and love children” “women do no harm and are angels”
Yea right....
[–]Sabertoothsnowhobbit80 points81 points82 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
“Girls are sugar and spice and everything nice.”
Tell me some more fairy tales.
[–]jeabben 32 points33 points34 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Beautiful women are always virtuous and kind.
[–]morbidaar10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So was my ex
[–]Zachjsrf13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But Professor Utonium added an extra ingredient to the concoction...CHEMICAL X!
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Chemical F for Feminism. The ultimate catalyst.
[–]xevolverx4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But they never say what the spice is ....
Its crack the spice is crack. O god that makes to much sense.
[–]zerlingrush2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hollywood's version of wahman
[–]REEEject 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The same way that "Islam is the religion of peace"
[–]troubleddreamer0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don’t know who said that but they have apparently never been around women to know most are snakes And this is coming from a woman
[–]PelleDogg86 points87 points88 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Can only imagine how much the kid will hate you when he/she finds out you gambled there're life on donations
[–]Hypogamy55 points56 points57 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The donation link is a day after she had the abortion.
[–]PelleDogg32 points33 points34 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well at least no one gets child support am I right or am I right lads
[–]rejac2188 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ouch. OMG. How can they be this callous and cold? I lose more and more of my desire to fuck them each day....
[–]BonelessSkinless0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lmfao what a fucking scumbag she is
[–]Schazzam1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Gambled? More like ransomed.
[–]CrackingYs 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She'll have the abortion either way. No refunds on the donations though, cause a girl's got bills, yo.
[–]Delita_Wasnt_Wrong42 points43 points44 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Wait a fuckin min, she posts a day ago she’s getting an abortion then 1hr ago says she’ll keep the kid if she’s paid? Wouldn’t that kid be gone? Or does she think people are that dumb
[–]Teflon18719 points20 points21 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
people who follow her probably are that dumb and will believe some excuse that they couldn't get to her even though she is already in a gown.
[–]BonelessSkinless7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
People are that dumb.
Lots of them. That's why she has the audacity and gall to even suggest this and post her face all over Twitter for it. You think this is her first abortion? Lol. Probably had donations as soon as she posted her pay link
Technically, she didn't say she will keep the baby if X dollars are donated by a certain time.
She's just asking for donations from "people who want her to keep the baby".
[–]LegitimatePollution4-2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe SHE’S that dumb. She can’t even correctly recall her own made up anecdote.
[–]Lawuhiku-3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Simps are retarded, not dumb.
[–]SovietGrazoBazoOkdek29 points30 points31 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She sold her soul
[–]MetamorphosisSilver4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nope. No one is going to buy something that has no value.
[–]Drumans23 points24 points25 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
This is insane. Is this real life?
[–]007MGTOW26 points27 points28 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its called clown world. Honk Honk.
[–]BonelessSkinless13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Look at the state of our country, our society and our environment. Are you honestly surprised by this? This is basic shit now lmao. This is real life and then some.
[–]julianleung6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No, this is the matrix
[–]Socram0070 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
*Satan's matrix
[–]XxGanjaXXGOD71914 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dexter had the idea of killing bad people right.
[–]BiffBiffBiff2713 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can we donate to choose the method of aborting?
I'll give £5 for a strategically placed firecracker in the womb
[–]Everlastcanada8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Society is doomed. This is so wrong at so many levels. She's a sick individual
[–]Thermotastic6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow, using a baby to make money off the pro lifers. Good fucking game stupid narcissist bitch.
[–]Deydrania 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Honestly, I support the abortion. She will make a horrible mother.
[–]Chat_Bastard5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
If only her mom had had one...
[–]Sid_Vichous1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm sure she had several.
[–]ahugebundleofsticks -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ouff nice counter punch 2x jab combo
[–]LegitimatePollution41 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, we should sterilize people like this.
[–]FutureSquall2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can blame her and ones like her for the dangerously low birthrate.
[–]ZeroBlink3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (44 children) | Copy Link
See this is why I don't believe in god. If god existed he would "fix" her on the spot
[–]ShotgunPumper1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
So a human does something shitty and somehow that's God's fault? Anyways, just as an FYI, God does sometimes "fix" people; don't forget about Sodom and Gomorrah.
[–]ZeroBlink1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (16 children) | Copy Link
Surely you can only judge the creator by the fruit of his labor???
In fact living beings in general murder one another, animals eat other animals, people kill both plant and animal life.
Such a good god:) man bad
[–]ShotgunPumper0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Again, you're blaming God for the actions of others. What you're trying to raise is the 'problem of evil' argument'. It goes something like the following:
1: If God is all powerful then he could stop evil.
2: If God is good then he would do what he could to stop evil.
3: Evil exists in the world
4: Therefore there doesn't exist a God which is all powerful and all good.
The argument fails in quite a few ways. The most commonly pointed out flaw is the suggestion that a good God would stop all evil; to stop all evil would require robbing humanity of our free will. In general, there are good reasons to suggest why a perfectly good God would allow us to commit evil actions.
The much less commonly pointed out flaw, a flaw which exists in each and every 'problem of evil' argument and can actually be used to easily turn such arguments into an argument for God's existence, is that the argument itself hinges on the suggestion that there is such a thing as evil in the world.
Morality as a whole is either objective or subjective. If morality is subjective then it's all just an opinion, and therefore the necessary premise 'there is evil in the world' which exists in each and every 'problem of evil' argument requires is just an opinion. Therefore every single 'problem of evil' argument falls apart due to being based on a premise which is entirely opinionated; logical arguments are made based on premises which are logical and true, not subjective and opinionated. So, for any 'problem of evil' argument to not immediately fall apart, morality must be objective rather than subjective and true. The problem is that the only basis for morality which would make it objective and true is God. So, far from the existence of evil in the world somehow disproving God's existence, without God existing there cannot actually be such a thing as evil in the world. This is why some famous atheists such as Richard Dawkins have adopted the position that there is no such thing as evil.
[–]ZeroBlink0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (14 children) | Copy Link
And we haven't even started seriously shaving of:)
[–]ShotgunPumper0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Determinism is the death of reason; to be logically consistent, you'd have to doubt absolutely everything you think you know to be true including determinism itself. After all, if everything you believe is because it was pre-determined rather than you examining the evidence and deciding what you think is true based on that then who's to say you were determined to believe what is true rather than what's false? You'd have no way of knowing. This is essentially a philosophical, rather than biological, version of Darwin's Dilemma.
You're implying some kind of disconnect between a person and their brain; are you suggesting the existence of a soul or something...? From a purely naturalistic worldview, you are your brain. To say "your brain decided this" is the exact same thing as saying "you decided this". Some amount of delay between subconscious thinking and conscious thinking doesn't somehow disprove free will.
You atheists never understood how the burden of proof works. Anyone who makes any claim has a burden of proof, which means you have one too. Can you prove that our choices are simply automated responses? Nothing you've said so far does.
Do you actually think this is a valid argument against free will? You didn't get to choose your genetics therefore free will doesn't exist? That's some double-digit IQ reasoning right there.
That's presuming the impossible to defend premise that a good God can't have morally sufficient reasoning to allow us to commit evil.
Again, you're operating under the premise that if God were good he would prevent any and all evil in the world. There are plenty of reasons why a good God would allow evil, just one example being the free-will defense.
The real issue here is that you're blaming God for evil in the world for emotional, illogical reasons. How is it illogical for a woman who cheats on her husband to blame her husband for her own actions but not illogical for you to blame God for the actions of mankind?
More double-digit IQ reasoning from you, wonderful... What you don't realize is that the suggestion that pain is evil, bad, wrong, etc is itself just an opinion. Simply claiming something to be an objective truth doesn't make it so. What it to make someone who claims that pain is evil correct and someone who claims that pain is good incorrect? Ultimately it's just a difference of opinion.
Morality is either nothing more than an opinion or it's something more than an opinion. It cannot be both at the same time as that's a contradiction.
What you fail to understand about morality is that it's not a descriptive thing; it's a prescriptive thing. It doesn't tell you what is; it tells you what ought to be. Studying nature will tell you what is, not what ought to be. Only a person can prescribe to you how things ought to be. The issue is that when another human prescribes to you how things ought to be that's just their opinion. There's nothing objective or true about peoples' opinions. The only person that can prescribe what ought to be whose prescriptions are truth rather than just opinion would be God; short of God all moral prescriptions are made by man and are therefore opinions. If morality is just an opinion then the premise 'evil exists in the world' that every problem of evil argument hinges upon fails and therefore every 'problem of evil' argument fails.
[–]ZeroBlink0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link
[–]ShotgunPumper0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
1: You're entirely missing the point.
Debates and evidence don't matter whatsoever if determinism truly were the case. If determinism were the case then every position you held wouldn't be because you decided to hold those positions after viewing the evidence but rather because you were pre-determined to come to those conclusions. Reason, logic, evidence, debates, etc mean nothing if you don't have the free will to examine the evidence and decide for yourself. The very act of trying to debate for determinism makes absolutely no sense under the deterministic worldview.
2: "In such case we can simply wave off any notion of "free will" to be explained by behavioral conditioning(reward punishment) and your neural structure."
The conclusion "Therefore there is no such thing as free will" does not follow logically from the premise "We can understand the chemical reactions of how the brain works." Is there a hidden premise you're operating under? Every premise I conceive of that would connect the premise you've presented with that conclusion is obviously false, one example being "If we had free will then we would be unable to understand the chemical reactions of how our brains work." Short of adding one of these obviously false premises, your conclusion is not supported by its premise.
You very clearly don't have a mind for logic, because yet again you've made an argument which has a conclusion that is not derived logically from the premise you've presented. The conclusion "Therefore, we do not have free will." doesn't follow logically from the premise "It's possible for someone to incur brain damage and then act differently because of it." Again, you need more premises to lead to that conclusion, but I suspect that any such premise you attempted to propose would be false.
3: My first reply to number 2 already addressed this.
[–]ZeroBlink0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
[–]ShotgunPumper0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
1: Again, you aren't getting it. What you'd admitting to is having absolutely no good reason to believe in determinism beyond blind faith.
2: "If Will is not deterministic , brain damage would have no effect..."
THERE is your hidden premise.
"For a will to be free you'd have to be able to make a choice INDEPENDENT of your other life-choices, which you simply cannot"
Judging by this definition you've provided of free will, you don't seem to understand what it, and therefore what determinism, is. Free will means that you have the capability to make choices. Period. Determinism is the position that no one is capable of making choices, and instead that when we make a 'choose' it's actually just an illusion or hallucination that our will had anything to do with us reaching that decision.
The fact that certain things can influence your decisions does not contradict the notion of having free will. Any time there's a fire within arms reach you could put your hand into it and be burned. The fact that you have many good reasons as to why you wouldn't doesn't mean you don't have the ability to do so based upon your will.
3: "What free will do you have over the event of your death?"
You actually typed that out and sent it to me as a response. My God... There's this thing called suicide where people decide to kill themselves; that's an example of free will over your own death.
Again, you're operating under this misconception that free will means that you decide things based on absolutely nothing else other than your own opinions or whatever. Free will just means you have the capability of making choices. The fact that other factors might influence your will doesn't change the fact that you have a will and use it to make choices.
4: "...it is STRICTLY stated that people who God doesn't come to cannot self-liberate and enter the heaven on their own free will and god has to come to liberate them from the grasp of evil."
It's not a good idea to tell a person who has read a certain book what's in that book when you yourself havn't read it. Whether or not God 'comes to' a person is dependent entirely on whether or not that person choose to let God into their life.
[–]ZeroBlink1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]ShotgunPumper1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
1-2: You don't understand the free will vs. determinism debate whatsoever. You're not even arguing for determinism. You don't seem to know what it is even.
Determinism is the notion that we do not have any form of will and that we are incapable of actually making choices; every single 'choice' we make and action we perform is ultimately due to external causes. It's the notion that if you had a magical computer that tracked how every piece of matter in the universe interacts and you started tracking matter at the moment of the big bang then you could, with 100% accuracy, predict every single event that happens in the universe including ever 'choice' that ever person has ever made and every action they perform because our 'choices' and 'decisions' are determined entirely by external causes.
When you argue that there's such a thing as 'limited will' you're suggesting that we have the capacity to make choices and therefore are not arguing in favor of determinism.
Under actual determinism people can't decide for themselves what they think is true based on evidence.
3: "Strawman , you have no choice over the matter, you will die."
You asked "What free will do you have over the event of your death?" Suicide is you using your free will to decide when you die. That's absolutely an example of what you said being incorrect; you're just moving the goal posts as a response.
Also, if your argument is "We all die therefore free will doesn't exist" then note that this is entirely illogical.
4: "Luther's argument on free will"
It was nice that he opposed the catholic church and all, but his interpretation of scripture wasn't perfect. I could point to plenty of scripture which shows the Bible assumes people have free will, but I wont bore you. I will, however, provide the most common counter point to supposedly Biblical determinism: no one can be held accountable for their own actions if we lack the free will to decide what it is that we do.
[–]ZeroBlink0 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
" When you argue that there's such a thing as 'limited will' you're suggesting that we have the capacity to make choices and therefore are not arguing in favor of determinism. "
In a sense that 2 OPTIONS exist, but if you had that MAGICAL computer you'd still be able to say which one a person is going to choose. Your logic is disgustingly surface level , you''re still not seeing it after 10 messages. I'm dumbfound. The mere existence of an alternative , doesn't indicate FREE will. Im calling it "LIMTED WILL" , because I don't know how to explain that there is NO FREEDOM in that choice to you otherwise.
You're using the OPTIONS as proof of "FREE CHOICE" , which is ridiculous. You assert that just because you have OPTIONS , you can choose freely , you cannot. The computation has to happen first in the brain. To argue for free will , is like arguing for an INDEPENDENT metaphysical monitoring system.
"herp derp you can either brush your teeth or not brush your teeth hence free will".IF you brush your teeth we rewind time 1 minute back and blank your memory , YOU'D BRUSH YOUR TEETH AGAIN. NO FREE WILL.My grandma had complete short term memory loss, she would tell a short story reset and tell the same story and reset and tell the same story... Stuck in a loop. The only way to JANK her out of the loop was to cause her manually to change the thought pattern. I've heard the same story 100' of times every single day.
There's no way I can believe in Free Will after seeing that.
"Suicide is you using your free will to decide when you die" No that's not the same decision. IF and WHEN are completely different from one another. You're using loophole in the language to get away from the crux of the problem.
SO for you imma express it in mockup CODE.
IF HUMAN
THEN DIES , No exceptions.
Suicide is part of a completely different problem and isn't indicative of free will either.
For instance the decision to Kill yourself , might be evolutionary, or caused by pain or caused by mental trauma or by simply me challenging you to do so, tho you'd have to be mad and have some complications with your head. It's equally as deterministic and absolutely NOT free , and just because you have the OPTION to do it at 4 o'clock or 5 o'clock , doesn't mean that you're going to choose the fking time freely, because you might have ingrained belieft that perhaps doing things earlier is better than doing later... for feck sake. . inb4 herp derp "not arguing for determinism"
And I've replied to what you've suggested many times myself. You keep going on about limited will, but I've already pointed out that this concept as you describe it is mutually exclusive with determinism. Having things that influence your decision is mutually exclusive with not having a decision in the first place. If we have any amount of choice in what we do, regardless of how influenced we are, then determinism isn't true.
And that has absolutely nothing to do with the free will vs. determinism argument. You're making up terms to describe ideas about a topic you clearly don't understand.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... Understanding the chemical reactions that happen in the brain which correspond with thinking does not, in it of itself, somehow prove that we don't have free will (the ability to make choices). And, again, things influencing our decisions doesn't change the fact that we make decisions in the first place.
If you think that this, or the rest of this paragraph, is somehow proof that there's no such thing as free will then your IQ is in the double digits. You've used critically flawed logic like this before. First off, this is circular reasoning at best. "We don't have free will because if you had to do things again you would do them exactly the same because we don't have free will." is essentially what you're saying here. Secondly, how you would do things if you could do them again has nothing to do with free will. Either we have free will and therefore act based on our own discretion, or determinism is true and therefore everything we do was determined by physical processes that are completely outside of our control. Either you have done some things in your life based on your discretion, or everything you've done is because of the arrangement of matter and the forces that acted upon it at the beginning of the Big Bang. Either you've made decisions in your life, or everything you've ever done and ever will do was determined at the beginning of the universe. That is free will vs. determinism.
Your worldview seems to be formed based on emotion rather than logic. That's not unlike a woman.
THEN DIES , No exceptions. "
Yes. Because we are human, therefore we will die. This, however, doesn't somehow mean we lack the ability to act upon our own discretion.
You say "this is free will" , but how do you know it's a "free will"? And how would you instruct me to go about making a Fre3will choice ? Also I can concede that world in essence might not be deterministic , you are ABSOLUTELY right that I'M NOT ARGUING that world IS DETERMINISTIC , that's a HUGE strawman on your part. I argued that we can determine what your actions are going to be. Weather the laws of physics aren't deterministic is quite irrelevant. It's just a supplement , a thought experiment you stupid motherfucker , a silly point of contention, It matters not if you have no free will ,in a non-random world or a random world .still no freedom of will. In a nondeterministic world you practically CANNOT illustrate free will, unless of-course after rewinding you get the same exact state of the world , otherwise every different choice has to be attributed to actual PHYSICAL difference of reality ITSELF ,as opposed to your "free will". And then finally if we "run a tick of time" and you make a different choice, you have to then look at the influence of the random-chance of the REALITY ITSELF. Going this rout we're making the problem harder than it needs to be and it does not give us any more CLUES as to how to solve it in any way shape or form. Instead we're getting closer to YOUR "EMOTIONAL" argument "I experience free will".
"herp derp if you do the same it's free will",
we're trying to DEMONSTRATE free will, not hide it, will yourself to do the opposite , dumb mofo.
This whole conversation started because I pointed out the free-will defense of God not preventing us from committing evil against one another. Out of pure, unbridled ignorance of the free will vs determinism argument, you decided to go off on a rant about your own made-up non-standard definition of "free will" and then complain about some topic you've created called "partial will". Free will vs. determinism is a binary choice; it's either one or the other. The fact that you oppose determinism shows that in the free will vs. determinism debate you are on the side of free will, which means you don't actually oppose the free will defense of God not preventing us from committing evil actions against one another.
In our conversation you've proven multiple times both that you don't have a good grasp on logic and that you're highly emotional. In this way, you act much like women do.
Again to your abysmal god defense, is irrelevant, if the world is random, we can still argue that your choices aren't yours. It's a retarded defense on your part.
In theory you can have free will in a determined world too, it's not a binary choice , we call it "compatibility". You're just stupid.
It's incredibly easy to convince stupid, and therefore gullible, people of anything you want them to believe. Just tell them that people who believe (fill in the blank with what you want to program into them) are intelligent while pretending to be in some position of authority (professor, news anchor, content creator on the internet, etc). Troglodytes then flood to that ideology. This is how people come to believe in marxist ideologies such a feminism, gun control, open borders, socialism/communism, and atheism (they certainly didn't get to those positions by studying the evidence!). You are one of these people.
One trait that intelligent people often have which unintelligent people often lack is the ability to consider the possibility that you're incorrect. You clearly don't possess this trait considering you tried to argue "My grandma had dementia therefore there's no such thing as free will!" This doesn't at all seem ridiculous to you because you apparently lack the capacity to consider a perspective that's not your own. If you were capable of this then you would have temporarily adopted an impartial position, examined your argument about your grandmother, and realized that it's emotional and illogical.
Beyond that, wise people tend not to get into arguments about topics they don't understand. How many commends did we send back and forth to each other? Despite all of these comments you never once stopped to google the definition of "free will", not even once, because if you had then you would no longer be operating under your own made up definition for the concept. Furthermore, you quite clearly have absolutely no basic understanding of the free will vs. determinism argument. Judging by everything you've said so far, I'd be more surprised if you had ever heard of this topic of debate prior to our conversation here. Not having heard of such a topic before is not, in it of itself, any sign of a lack of intelligence, but attempting to pick a side in a topic you've never studied, defend that side in a debate, and do so purely because you've found out that one side in that topic is inconvenient for your worldview is a certain sign that you lack wisdom.
" is the ability to consider the possibility that you're incorrect " - that's why I conceded on the issue of determinism. You have never budged an inch , I made the effort to present many different arguments to keep the conversation going and You criticized me for it (herp derp muh emotional argument). You are stupid.
Yet the entire premise of "free choice" is based on your own error prone "experience".
I did google, I researched All possible takes on free will. YOU DIDNT GOOGLE
You don't even understand the fking difference between Free will vs free choice ,
You have not made a single argument for FREE WILL , not a single fucking one you dumb fuck, all your arguments we're all for Free Choice. You made maybe a grand total 2 statements of your own, everything else was just you going "nope , no , nope , this is not determinism" strawmaning the shit of everything, You're a fking 80IQ braindead wall , incapable of discourse.
In-between your attempts to launch ad hominem and being confused , you said literally fuck all you pompous twat.
You're so fking retarded that you think that the argument ends at Determinism or free will(being mutually exclusive).. How fking uniformed are you? At least wiki shit , before you talk shit from yer ass
[–]PrismMage 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Oh God is going to correct plenty of things when he pours out his wrath. Read the book of Revelation to find out how this circus ends.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't see how you can be wrathful and unconditionally benevolent at the same time.
[–]ZeroBlink0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
That's a paradox, you can only come to conclusion that you serve a twisted god who revels in punishing you as a joke.Satan has to follow god's rules and all his agency over the world is permitted by god, because Honk Honk
Fuck logic ,he gave you brains just to fuck with your faith right?
[–]LegacyAccountComprom-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well hang on, did God destroy Notre Dame Cathedral yesterday?
I was raised Catholic but I've never bought into the whole benevolence thing.
[–]hrm0894-3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
God is benevolent, yet stern with punishment. At least that's how I see it.
[–]MGTOWisNOTmra0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah, no. Don't blame your non belief on shitty humans.
[–]ZeroBlink-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Animals kill too, the entire design is destructive it's not even limited to living beings
[–]julianleung0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What if where you atr living is the hell after all?
[–]ZeroBlink-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm not sure I understand what you mean? what's " atr "?
[–]julianleung0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Are
[–]Goldengunslinger77-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
God let's people have a free will for their lifetime. After we die our choices are finalised. If he corrected our wrongs in the spot we would be nothing more than robots. However I also strongly disagree with this girl's actions.
[–]ZeroBlink1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (14 children) | Copy Link
prove free will to me. Imagine your favorite color , then hate it with passion right this moment. OH you cant? mmm such strong free will
That's dumb as shit. You just seem argumentative
[–]ZeroBlink0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
:) awww
[–]StrawhatMucci0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Stupidest analogy ever. You are literally free to do anything and everything you want who is stopping you? That is free will right there.
So did you imagine your favorite color and freely willed yourself to hate it? Yes or No?
I think you are failing to understand what I'm saying here.
How about willing yourself to become smarter out of thin air, can you?cmon , show my an act of free will
"nothing is stopping you" oh boy xD... prove it that you're not limited , will yourself to learn something out of nothing , surely you have the will to do anything.
[–]StrawhatMucci0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Thats because something called genetics exist that already has set your limits on becoming smart? Your IQ is already determined just like some wants. You should have stuck with the colour analogy that can confuse idiots more lol. This analogy proves you need more looking into stuff. The heart and mind are also different shit.
Its exactly why love overrides logic and common sense at times.
And I can defy my faith lol. I can do exactly what God has commanded or not. Easy example. Lie. But if I lie of course I am gonna get punished so I tend to avoid it. But have I lied? Yea countless of times.
Can you punch me or not if I stand infront you? No matter what option you choose, both is free will.
And then there is an outlier which is the Devil haha. But of course, atheists dont believe in that so I am not gonna bring that in here. But I am literally surprised to find someone not believing in free will haha.
[–]ZeroBlink0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
Love is chemical completely natural and involuntary of your free will xD You have no choice in "who you love". The body is pumping hormones into your bloodstream and you feel love. You didn't choose , you had no say. So your body gets shaky ,you feel warm ,you are controlled by that chemical reaction and you say , oh see that's Free Will. Couldn't be further away from free will.
You have lied to get something , it's a cosal action not an act of "free will".
"No matter what option you choose, both is free will. " - You DONT'T choose. I would not punch you because that's what my internal programming tells me to do as a form of survival and fitting in. If I do punch you then the desire (which I have no control over) to punch you is stronger than my survival mechanism that tells me not to hit you. For instance if you annoy me too much or threaten harm....
that is not a free choice. The entire thing is out of your control.
Devil? Where's your free will not to be tempted LOL. Surely if someone illicit a reaction from you that's not free will.
herp derp "muh Devil" .
[–]StrawhatMucci0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
There is a lot of involuntary shit haha. Not all of them are feasible. You can ignore them and the thought will pass you know? Haha. Kind like how all the mgtow guys are in here. Even now we get attracted but now minds are stronger to override that. So now at the end of the day you can choose who you love. Lust and love aint the same thing. Mgtow here proves it lol.
There is a common scenario of the brain which happens to normal people. You ever look at a knife and suddenly imagine yourself doing something bad with it? 😂 its something very common to alot of people haha. There is a word for that phenomenon i think. But of course most sane people would just shake that thought off. Shit like that doesn't make you a serial killer haha. But then again if you read on serial killers they tend to start fantasizing at one point, become obssessed with it and finally act on their desires. Coz they have the free will to do so. But it was just random shit going on in your brain. There is set stuff, and then there is a bunch of other stuff which really has no logical explanation for it. Its a complex mix of genetics, environment etc etc. Colours is one.
There is a difference between involuntary and voluntary. Involuntary is shit you have no control over. Voluntary is the one religion dictates where you have free will tho.
[–]ZeroBlink0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
It's not an act of free will , but a response to stimuli. Mgtow is a response to women being assholes. There is no free will in that ,it involves Your experience with women , your genetics, your intelligence, your tolerance to bullshit , the ability to see reality from another perspective. Yet no free will over the matter, mgtow is mgtow , because he has to be a mgtow. It's what your life experience tells you and you cannot disagree with it , "on a whim".
" There is a common scenario of the brain which happens to normal people. You ever look at a knife and suddenly imagine yourself doing something bad with it? 😂 its something very common to alot of people haha " - where's your free agency over the thought , not to ever appear in your mind, its almost as if... the thought is forced upon you?
The killer argument is also mute. You're arguing against free will.
What agency does a killer have over "starting fantasizing". Has no more free will than you falling in love with a girl.
There's nothing that psychopath can do about it.
" Voluntary is the one religion dictates where you have free will tho. " - you realize that "to dictate" means "to force" someone. How can you say "dictate" and "free will" in the same sentence.Where's your free will not to be dictated?
"Yeah listen god gives you free choice, obey or die". Fantastic free will
[–]StrawhatMucci0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Your concept of free will is warped lol. Free will applies to voluntary. Not involuntary this is what religion dictates in the first place.
As I said there is an outlier here which is the devil which also has an influence on your thoughts. Not everything is science. And no killing doesnt just happen? You can literally choose not to kill.
"Your concept of free will is warped lol" - a false statement asserting "Rightness"(out of fear) , because you're realizing you're full of shit , not even trying to counter.
Show me an example of voluntary. You haven't shown a single example of that.
"Not everything is science" prove it , prove that existence of Satan gives me free will.
" You can literally choose not to kill. " - I cannot , I'm already pre-disposed not to kill , if I was born in a killers body with a killers mind, I would kill. In fact I can tell you right now If I went to war I would shoot people, because I know my programming well enough to predict my response... and I cannot choose to go against it.If my life was under a threat (I was forced to defend myself) , I have no say in it.
[–]StrawhatMucci1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Choosing to punch or not to punch. Kill or not kill. Lie or not to lie. If you cannot see the free will in that imma let this go haha.
There is no free will in that , because you're not choosing at all. It's already determined.Even your so called god says, he knows exactly what you're going to do. You've been in the book of dead long before you were even born , free will my ass.
You can literally choose in these scenarios I have given. God just knows what your gonna choose.
Anyhow have a good day. Lol.
"God just knows what your gonna choose". How can he if I have free will to choose something(randomly on a whim , on free will) he shouldn't be able to DETERMINE.
It's impossible to have both. How can you Determine , that which I haven't even (made up my mind about) yet.
It's almost like he knows I have no choice but to do these things, because that's how he created me to be:)
God did an oooooopsieeeee
Run Run... before you actually are forced to think logically xD /s
[–]Digi21121 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
SickO
[–]grizzer991 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I honestly don't know what is real anymore. Wow. What a shitty excuse of a human being.
[–]PrismMage 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Translation: Pay me or my baby gets it. Every day, this sub reminds me that women are far better than men at 1 thing. Being evil.
[–]Goldengunslinger770 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of theLord; and the Lord hath sent us to destroy it....
few verses later
Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground."
Quoting the bible might get me banned but I have no malice and I am not judging. I am simply comparing this society's morals to one that was destroyed in the past. We aren't to far off now to was Sodom and Gomorrah were then. No matter if those cities were fictional or not to you, this society is getting real bad and it seem bound to get worse. I'd start getting ready for times to get tough if I were yall.
[–]Vraboxin 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The internet truly exposed female nature for what it really is...
I honestly have 0 empathy or respect towards women nowadays. I don't hate them at all.. but I don't care for them either.
[–]MattFoley790 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's the endgame of twat liberation.
This is the reason I have reembraced Christianity. I want to see cunts like this burn forever.
sigh
I presume this is the 'abortion extortion' bird which Sandman was going on about earlier?
Wish her luck? I think I'll wish her death. I'm pretty sure all pro-lifers and pro-choicers can safely say that she is probably one of the biggest scumbag cunts of 2019 so far. Using a fetus as a bargaining chip is truly next level.
[–]mblazin15320 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Her mother should've swallowed.
[–]SuperDevton1120 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This also belongs in r/trashy
[–]thatbrownnerddied0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is actually really smart, if you're trashy
[–]carninja680 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Send her pictures of your tax payable because you are already paying for her whether she has an abortion or keeps the kid
[–]jbslol0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Abortion proves there are far more sociopathic women than anyone ever realized.
[–]derppoolthulu 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is sad to say but considering the previous tweet, perhaps this is the best conclusion.
[–]thottttttttttttt0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The govt would pay for her to be a useless breeder, more meat for the capitalism machine.
[–]JBVO280 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is sick...🙄
[–]masterdebator3000 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I want to kill her but its against the "law" eye roll
Jk its a dark and dry joke. I am against the killing of highly intelligent species no matter what their age / growth phase .
Though if i were to write a work of fiction it would be open season on these cunts.
[–]TruthSeekingPerson0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wonder how big of a donation it would take to get her to kill herself.
[–]griffiscs0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
you can't call women dumb and then go and fall for this kind of bait...
[–]Alphy1010 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I atleast hope I get the meet that kid. I’d totally snitch this bitch.
[–]fritobandito2140 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How is this not a hostage/ransom type situation?
[–]Gargoylemgtow 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
new empowering trend ?
Fuck the free world
[–]bfte20 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Worst thing about it? Thirsty simps will donate.
[–]heyneso0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She’s going to be paying for that eternally.
[–]TheAnarxoCapitalist0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She'll abort the baby anyway and buy makeup with that money.
[–]AncapGhxst0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How much to abort you instead?
[–]rjpseal0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Literally promising to kill a baby if you don't give her money. This is purely evil.
[–]angryarmadillon0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Literally ransoming your own baby's life...
[–]LightningEdge7560 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is literally the first Reddit post to make me sick with anger...
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well you know what I rarther be not be born that have her for a mother. Makes me glad everyday, that mine is a fucking unicorn amongst women. She respects my farther, loyal to the family and does what no woman could ever do. Get a fucking job and help support the family and doesn't bitch and moan about it. A rare breed, a rare breed indeed. Because no out there will even come close to being as decent as my family. Great farther, great mother, great parents overall. Not rich, but we all get along. Somthing rare in modern times.
[–]sam123cherif-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Some people are just cancer incarnated
And like all cancers... they need to be exterminated before they can spread. Suppose it's too late for this one though - it's certain that other thots will be taking inspiration from her :/
[–]young_MGTOW23 -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She posted "donate to me if I should keep the baby" 24h after she got the abortion. Fucking fraud.
[–]contikipaul-2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don’t think we should judge all women by this lunatics post. She is clearly nuts
Commoditizing a baby’s worth or birth is awful
I am firmly MGTOW but women have the right to choose and this nut job pushes my beliefs pretty hard
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