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Let's discuss this .

Caffienated_Reaper

October 29, 2019

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Title	Let's discuss this .
Author	Caffienated_Reaper
Upvotes	1
Comments	26
Date	October 29, 2019 9:53 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW2
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW2/comments/dowycm/lets_discuss_this/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MGTOW2/lets-discuss-this.811870 https://theredarchive.com/post/811870

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Women just recently gained their rights. So you mean to tell me that all civilizations are created and manegeded by women ? Women marry up ? Didnt they get married off by their fathers/ guardians ? Men that chose the guys for them to marry ? The value of female virginity is mainly a male interest and a religious standpoint that also puts women under the supervision of men .

I can't figure this one out. It's either men are the doers and the creator of civilizations . Or that we live in gynocentric society that recently gave women their rights after they fought for it .

Men's mental and physical labour did create civilization, but this was not a function of some sort of monolithic, coordinated, unilateral, conscious, omniscient, omnipotent, self-serving, executive decision making on the part of men as a group. It was merely a natural consequence of the myopic, individual, human need to survive. Men's talents and abilities were used towards that end, for the species as a whole and women in particular.

Women's reproductive ability, as well as their less productive capacity and relative vulnerability meant that their role naturally evolved to be in the home. That's where their power lied.

Women did have rights, but their rights were different to men's because they had different responsibilities to men. Men's rights emerged as a consequence of their responsibilities and role outside the home, as protectors and providers. Moreover, men of lower status had fewer rights outside the home than higher status men. Similarly, women, as partners of men in the home, had their rights evolve in line with their role. No one was in control of any of this. This was just how things gradually developed over the centuries. As knowledge, circumstances and technology changed, people's rights evolved.

The institution of marriage was an effective way of maintaining order and directing men's productive capacity, by having them assume the responsibility of providing for women and children. Men were even given a dowry to try and entice them into this weighty responsibility, by fathers who themselves had assumed the role and were seeking to offload their own offspring and insure their continued survival. Other incentives, like respectability, a woman's virginity or even a shotgun to the head were also used to try a get men to tie the knot. So marriage was always a tool to control male behaviour, in a quest to maintain order and increase productivity. It was never for men's benefit, happiness or wellbeing. Without marriage, men would have been freer to fulfil their optimal mating strategy or do what they wanted and women's lives would have been much much tougher without the security of a committed man and the fruits of his labour.

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