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A interesting double standard. Why do we celebrate socially awkward women like this, while demeaning the same traits in men?

thetrollking

September 1, 2011

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Title	A interesting double standard. Why do we celebrate socially awkward women like this, while demeaning the same traits in men?
Author	thetrollking
Upvotes	2
Comments	8
Date	September 1, 2011 11:05 AM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/k16s9/a_interesting_double_standard_why_do_we_celebrate/
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[–]thetrollking[S] 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I gotta say that this actress has always bothered me. I haven't watched much stuff with her in it, but she seems to be type cast as the same dysfunctional, entitled, emotionally weak, but super empowered type of crazy bitch that I have run into so many times in my life.

There are several women that seem to fill the same media niche, I honestly don't even know their names. I think one of the first ones, that come to my mind, is the chick from Jerry Mcguire. But there are others too. I was at a friends place a few weeks back and his gf and some of her friends were watching two romcoms back to back and we were just sitting around shooting the shit and drinking. Watching part of these movies, don't even remember which movies, I was struck by how the central storyline is that the leading women are basically the female version of the NiceGuy(TM) that feminist rage against and many women call 'creepers'.

What do you guys think? Is this just a dumb double standard? Am I reaching here? Does this represent a fundamental way of how we view women on a pedestal due to their privilege and men as beasts?

Am I the only one that is kinda creeped out and repulsed by this niche media archetype? I don't really know how to verbalize, or type it, it but there is just something that really grates on me about these female archetypes.

[–]roswellb 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]thetrollking[S] 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I haven't actually watched those two shows. I was thinking more along the lines of most Apatow films. I was thinking the Micheal Cera characters and basically every film Shia Lebouf has been in and so on.

But even out of film don't we view the nerdy awkward girl much differently than the nerdy awkward boy. The girl is cute and "one of the boys" cause she likes star trek and the boy is a creeper borderline rapist at one end and a neckbeard forever alone WoW player at the other end of the spectrum.

Without even looking at the "evary post evar by feminists about girls in geek culture/fandom" v. "nice guy-ism(TM)" views, it seems like this is fairly cemented outside of the gender debate sphere.

I just posted a couple of article about a chick who went on a online date with some D&D super nerd(that I never heard of cause I don't play) and she basically trashed him(even though I think he is a millionaire, don't quote me) as undateable by the female of the species because he organizes much of his life around D&D.

One of the articles was even written, in a somewhat better form than Amanda Marcottes article, by Elevatorgate famed Skeptchick. She is a self confessed nerd of the female variety and had the ability to shame a guy for talking to her in a elevator. She only got called out on it because the conversation got elevated by her and feminists to semi-false rape claim. Most of the geeks were seen as unlovable and then labelled Nice Guys in that debate but she apparently posed naked in a atheist calender and is seen as hot. Also, need to point out that Richard Dawkins chiming in was the main reason that went so far.

IDK, maybe I am reaching. It just seems to me that if a guy is into stereotypical nerdy/geeky stuff he is seen as somewhat of a failure, especially in the social/dating arena but if it is a woman then she is seen as hip and sexy. It seems to me that the culturally condoned character flaw is gendered in this instance.

[–]theozoph 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]thetrollking[S] 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I haven't seen even one episode of BBT. I watched about ten minutes of it and was just turned off.

I do get that there is a loveable nerd archetype. That is a really fair point. Can we say that they are the same though?

From my memory of some of the movies I have seen, the loveable nerd/slob chasing girl. Girl chases bad boy. Girl friendzones nerd. Girl treats nerd like crap. Girl gets hurt by bad boy. Girl realizes that nerd was true love all along. Nerd gets to marry sloppy seconds or tenths.

That may be simplistic but there does seem to be a big difference between how they are shown.

I watched a couple seasons of Chuck awhile back. The entire point is that he gets to become alpha and eventually, after the love interests alpha boyfriends die, get the girl. It seems the staple is that the beta competes and eventually wins if it is a he. If it is a she, then she gets to chase after guys and then settle for the loveable nerd/best friend.

Admittedly this may just be my own bias based on what media I have consumed in the last year or two.

[–]theozoph 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]ghebert001 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link