It must be great to be a man. You get to not only have most of the power and oppress women but then also complain non stop about how "unfair feminism is" "men have it bad too" "my grampa went to jail that one time" "blah blah blah"
You realize you are the equivalent of a kid who gets an iPhone 4 for his birthday and then slaps his mom in the face because it was not an iPhone 5. Grow up.
And that there is the reason why some feminists here need to get a bit of perspective. You right here just made a judgement about all men, you think it's easy having a stereotype forced upon you because of the way you were born? You're being just as ignorant as the people you stand to fight.
It's not great being a man, I'm sure it's better than being a woman in terms of how you're treated; but when I see someone hurt, if I try to comfort them I'm seen as having ulterior motives. Do you know what THAT feels like. Men and women all have problems in society and they're all just two sides of the same coin the moment we all realize this and work together against them all will be better.
Aw, your little feelings hurt. No.No.No having something think you have bad intentions is NOWHERE near the amount of abuse (rape, murder, violence) women of all areas of the world face everyday at the hands of men. (BTW don't try to tell me that women are violent towards men in the same way because you are just not factually accurate) You're offended? Then how about you make an effort to educate your gender on how to be less violent and oppressive, and then this would be less of a (TRUE) stereotype. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You can't be both the oppressors AND the ones who feel oppressed. How does that make any logical sense?
And I was tempted many times to say "sorry for offending" but I won't because men clearly have no problems offending us.
I'm sorry I know you asked me not to but sometimes you need to hear the truth. Women can be violent to men. Yes it is true that men assault and abuse women, I never have. I have not once in my life assaulted a woman, contrary to this I have been gang bashed by a group of five women before. Do you think because of an incident I go around hating on every woman I meet and forcing a stereotype onto every woman that they are abusive. Now I understand that there are much more cases of men abusing women and my god the shame they have brought upon this gender is horrific but that DOES NOT entail you to go around claiming that EVERY man fits a stereotype, in just the same way I don't claim all girls to fit theirs. You say that we can not be both the oppressors and the oppressed; I have not once oppressed a woman (nor a man for that matter) are you saying just because another man has oppressed a woman that I clearly can't also be oppressed. There have been many cases of dogs biting people so CLEARLY by your 'logic' if you can call it that there is no such thing as animal abuse (at least towards dogs).
Wow you've never hit a woman. I will pull out my little gold stars I keep for all the men that use "i've never hit a woman" as a way to "disprove" that men as a whole are violent. AND NO! If you are a white middle-class male then you are not oppressed. If you are not, than no matter what race you are you are still less oppressed than a female of your race. YOU ARE NOT OPPRESSED. And the fact that you got your ass kicked still does not change the fact that the OVERWHELMING majority of on violence is committed by men.
Overwhelming majority, that sounds a whole lot like a huge assumption; what percentage of the male population do you know? And I never said that it proves men as a whole aren't violent. I'm saying you can't just say MEN AS A WHOLE: we are all different people how would you feel if I treated you badly because of how another person treated me, it wouldn't be fair. You're making judgements solely based off of a group of people. You could argue day and night if it's a majority or not; and I'm not here to do that even if all but 1 man on Earth is abusive to women you can't just go around insulting that man because of his gender.
I don't know how much more clear I can get Men.have.committed.the.majority.of.the.violent.crimes.since.the.history.of.all.humnaity. There is no historical evidence that supports otherwise. It is universally accepted by, sociologist, anthropologist, criminologist, psychologist, and anyone who has any higher cognitive functioning that men are more violent in general and are especially violent towards women. To try and sit there an argue otherwise just proves that you either A. do not live in the real world or B are actually stupid enough to not know just basic fundamental truths about humanity as a whole, but wither A or B you still have no clue what you are talking about.
It's not a matter of me lumping you into a stereotype it is rather you would be rare to almost unheard of statistically if you do not abuse a woman either sexually, physically, or verbally at some point in your live.
So yes. In short I can lump you in with abusive men because you are a man and are therefore part of the group that has been oppressing my gender since then dawn of humanity. Get over it, You're a man. Men oppress women, You're an oppressor,
I would firstly like to point the fallacies you used in your agument: Ad Hominem; insulting me personally does not make you seem smarter. Ad Populum; Just because it is generally accepted by people does not make it true, also correlation does not equal causation. Yes statistically men have been more abusive to women in history this does not come close to implying this is an inherent trait of all males. Nextly there is no reason to insult an entire population based solely off of an irrelevant characteristic (gender), unless you are making the assumption that all males are inherently abusive, and to this I would ask you to provide evidence. You argue that most of the assaults that have been committed are by males however this is just manipulating data to provide a false conclusion, Because most assaults are by males does not mean that most males are abusive to women. If there an extremely small chance a woman is going to assault you for whatever reason and there is twice as much likelihood that a male would still leaves you with an incredibly small chance. Now the next thing I'd like to say is; what if I was genetically female does that mean as a man I am suddenly more abusive just as of the day I came out.
I can't work like this. Like really I know you think you sound intelligent truing to argue that there is some third factor in the correlation between men being violent thus proving that it is a correlation and not causation you're just wrong. Men are physically stronger and they have been using that since the beginning of humanity to overpower women and weaker men. There is no magical third factor and frankly I DO NOT CARE ABOUT OFFENDING MEN. Like at all. What so ever. So get over it. You're forgetting what my whole point was in the first place. You as a male (unless trans, black,or insert some other oppressed minority) can not be upset about stereotyping or any of the things that go along with being an oppressed group BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT!
Like, if you can't understand the irony of a male telling me to stop oppressing and stereotyping him you're clueless
Is this really how men get control of everything? Like, hop onto the suffering of others to make themselves seem like victims while mind you what this whole video and whole topic was about is that men oppress women and why we need a group just to try and overcome that oppression
Some third factor? Let me just put some perspective in what you are arguing here.
You are saying that some men in the past (and present) were abusive to women and now because of this men are inherently abusive to Women.
Now tell me how this is any worse than me saying that all women are emotional bitches? Because yes most of the people who have had emotional break downs previously have been women, and there is a stereotype of women being more sensitive to emotions, but this does not in any way shape or form mean that every (or even most for that matter) women are emotional.
Or let us use a less loaded example; you say most cases of violence are by men and therefore men are more violent let us make that more specific.
Most Serial Killers are male does this inherently mean men are serial killers because that would be using the same logic you have used.
Next I, as a man, am not arguing that I am oppressed. I am very far from it, being stereotyped is not necessarily a trait of an oppressed group. Intelligent white males (who I'm sure we can agree are the least oppressed group in modern society) are still stereotyped as being physically weak (as opposed to at least other male groups). What am arguing however is that you are being close minded about what sort of roles men can take in society and are making heavy assumptions about people based off of their gender.
But they're are not the same and yes I can say that the majority of men are violent towards women. Whether it be verbally or physical. You are not going to change an opinion that I have formed over my entire life because you as a men feel offered by it. It's not closed minded it is pretty fucking accurate.
And seriously for the last what this was all about IS STOP FUCKING COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW BAD YOU AS A WHITE MAN HAVE IT!!!!!! YOU ARE NOT STEREOTYPED YOU ARE NOT OPPRESSED. NOT EVEN CLOSE
As I have said many times over I in no way shape or form argue that men are oppressed and I do think you need to understand the distinction, I argue that we are stereotyped though, which I fail to see how you can disagree with this, not only because the evidence is over whelming but you have done so yourself.
You say that and I quote "the majority of men are violent towards women. Whether it be verbally or physical." For you to say this without making a stereotype you must have met "a majority of men". I do not argue that these men AREN'T violent but I do argue it's equally unfair to say they are. And I'm sorry to have to point it out to you but it quite frankly is closed-minded you are blocking out the possibility of men actually being nice respectable people because of; as you said: things that have helped you form these opinions.
So are you implying that incomplete empirical evidence is enough to make your opinion non persuadable? Because I don't think there's another way of looking at this, and I'm relatively certain that is a closed minded outlook.
Now to address your personal attack; You say I should stop complaining about an issue I have to face just because other aspects of my life are good, and that other people have it worse (i.e. women). So by that logic you should stop complaining that your gender is being assaulted and mistreated, you're given healthy amounts of food, have shelter, have an internet connection. STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW BAD YOU AS A (presumably correct me if I'm wrong) WESTERN EDUCATED INDUSTRIALIZED RICH DEMOCRATIC WOMAN HAVE IT!!!!!!
Now this you see is a close minded perspective and I do not believe this is fair to anyone as humans we have the right to defend our selves when we need it as you do with your feminism defending the rights of women but equally I will also protect myself against insults, verbal abuse, stereotypes, and marginalization from women. And I find it offensive that you think that you have the right to defend yourself but I don't... What kind of equality are you fighting for?
:O oh my god. You really have no idea what you are talking about and I usually get paid to do this so I will sum it up again.
The idea of fighting for mens rights is not a thing because You as white males have all the power. What you are purposing would only be necessary if there were some sort of alien overlords that oppress both men and women. But there is not. You are the oppressors and therefore have no right to capitalize on suffer of the oppressed.
And I mean defend yourself all you want but you will never be less wrong about this. But thank you for providing me with more material.
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