I've got a speech, help would be cool.

itsallsympolic · 2017-05-19T03:22:58+00:00

Here's a little rambling, hopefully spark some ideas for ya: The social justice ideology does more harm to the people it claims to support by putting them into a victim mind state and eventually harms others who they see as the enemy. If you have ever been in the victim mind state, you know it leaves you feeling helpless, fearful, confused, angry, resentful and potentially dangerous when minor occurrences get blown out of proportion. Some people are brought to a level of hysteria. Sjw ideology keeps people from seeing the world the way it is, far more complex and nuanced than patriarchy theory. They have even gone as far as to deny biology, science and other important things like logic because they are creations of white males, making them inherently sexist, this will simply leave them stunted, unable to compete in the world of ideas. Basically, it makes them feel oppressed when they are not. As a man, when I first started talking to feminists, they would complain about things I thought of as normal parts of life, like workplace harrassment or dress codes. When they are blind to men's experiences, they don't realize that they are in fact asking for privileges men don't have, like expecting the world to be nice to them. I would make it clear that your position is in support of the empowerment of women and minorities but that you believe the only way to empowerment is to never blame others, not be so sensitive, be willing to fail and take criticism, etc, basically what boys are told, to man-up. At some point you would have to admit that you know there is discrimination but it is a small percentage and there are laws and appropriate ways to deal with that, not crying sexist or racist, which in itself may be an assault on an innocent person. Their world view also leaves them blind to the suffering of boys and men. When boys shoot up schools they don't see that as a cry for help, but evidence of toxic masculinity, thereby ignoring their suffering and furthering their isolation rather than encouraging compassion. I'm sure you can outline all the discrimination against men and boys. The wildland fire apprenticeship program for the USFS did not take applications from non-vet white men last year. I've worked alongside a female who did not pass the physical requirements I had to pass for the job.

Hope that helps

Edit: I do not know what other region's USFS hiring requirements were, it may have been localized.

PowerToAnnihilate · 2017-05-19T03:34:02+00:00

You could always talk about how they made it so people think it's literally impossible to commit a hate crime (or even be racist) against whites or men

itsallsympolic · 2017-05-19T04:21:21+00:00

Also, you mentioned facts so I want to warn you about relying too heavily on them. There are the solid big ones you can rattle off real quick for effect but when it comes down to it, you have to make an emotional argument. The people you are trying to convince will not be easily swayed by facts and logic alone. Like, if you were to tell them that if you are born male you are statistically more likely to experience violence and rape if you include prison populations. That is (supposedly- you might want to check) true, but it does not address the fact that girls feel more vulnerable and afraid, they feel less culpable and capable to change it.

So, you can look at the arguments they make and turn them around on them. If women are the way they are because of socialization, what is it that makes boys and men act the way they do? We talk about the "cycle of violence" but seem to forget abusive men were once abused boys who everyone was afraid to get close to. Maybe the only way to stop violence against women is too start caring for boys and men more. See, feelings and stuff. Look at it from their perspective, speak their language.

"Boys would rather hurt feelings to uphold logic, whereas girls would rather break logic to save feelings." -Simon Baron-Cohen

ZombieCrazyLegs · 2017-05-19T01:46:52+00:00

Sat here thinking about it for like 10 minutes. Came to the conclusion that i dont even know where to start and even if i did they will just dismiss you outright. There are tons upon tons of examples in this sub but none of it would matter to them.

I guess what i mean to say is they are doing more harm to themselves and others due to the fact that they dont want a discussion. They will 9 times out of 10 dismiss what you say outright and demand you listen and believe their point of view.

SantaOrange · 2017-05-19T03:46:50+00:00

There was some study (sorry, no link) showing that "diversity training" and "unconscious racism" training in businesses actually increased racist attitudes. I suspect that "misogyny" and "affirmative consent" classes produce a similar effect. People don't like being lectured at.

If you really want to blow the minds of the SJW's you should focus on class. Identity politics increases division amongst the working class and is a betrayal of the ideas of people like Martin Luther King (a democratic socialist), who yearned for a society where people would look past superficial differences and treat everyone as equals. Identity politics does the exact opposite: it defines people according to their race, sex etc. and makes unity among the working class impossible. That is presumably why the media and the huge corporations and the banks push identity politics and feminism so fervently.

Here's another little known fact on the issue of race. Workers in the American South have historically suffered lower wages than workers in the North. Why? Because elites shrewdly exploited racist attitudes to prevent black and white workers from joining unions together. That was in fact the entire raison detre behind Jim Crow and segregation: it was a response to the populist movement and eg the New Orleans strike of 1892 which saw black and white workers unifying.

On the issue of sex, there is a quote by Elizabeth Gurley Flynn aka "the rebel girl", a remarkable American dissident and leader in the Industrial Workers of the World -- the first union to explicitly reject all divisions based on race, sex, skill level etc., from the early 20th century. She wrote "Society moves in grooves of class, not sex." Say that at your average "leftist" meeting today and you will be accused of being a misogynist.

The long and short is that SJW's and feminists are essentially performing the same function as groups like the KKK and the White league did in early American history. They are encouraging division and therefore preventing the poor and the working class from forming a united front against the billionaires.

2017-05-19T10:04:56+00:00

Power to you Bro. Hope your speech goes well. Love from the UK

Title	I've got a speech, help would be cool.
Author	mooseworship
Upvotes	14
Comments	10
Date	May 18, 2017 11:40 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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