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[–]iainmf 7 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[+]StrixTechnica [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
Roosh isn't even close to being an MRA.
Even within the MHRM, there's a fairly diverse range of views on various subjects. Roosh is so far removed from any of them that, by comparison, you can't get a cigarette paper between such differences as may exist between MRAs.
As for a source, you can't show evidence of a negative. Go look at his sites (including RoK), you won't find any political or moral arguments for equality between men and women there. You will, however, find quite a lot of bigotry, especially towards gay men. Can't be A Men's Rights Activist if you aren't for all men's rights.
[–]Wiiboy95 1 point2 points3 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[+]StrixTechnica [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
And feminism says it's about equality, doesn't make it so.
Milo says he's not an MRA, but he does and says a lot of the same things MRAs do.
Actions speak louder than words.
That all said, granted, "I'm not an MRA" is a pretty good hint.
[–]Wiiboy95 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]StrixTechnica1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]xNOM -2 points-1 points0 points (7 children) | Copy Link
[+]StrixTechnica [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link
Anybody who has the measure of politics should care. Roosh and his ilk are self-evident threats to persuading blue-pillers of the political message the MHRM has to sell.
[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[+]StrixTechnica [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
I think you're confusing 'identity politics' with 'labels for political affiliation'. Identity politics is the political perspective that personal identitity (usually an intrinsic personal characteristic such as race, sex or sexuality) should inform policy (eg X identity deserves special treatment or protection because Y reasons). People who affiliate with certain political perspectives aren't doing that (unless the political perspective calls for it).
Identity politics is retarded but it is unfortunately still a subset of the broader spectrum of gender politics, so it has to be dealt with sooner or later. Labels are a nuisance and, personally, I don't care much for them (you may as well call me an MRA and a feminist, by the dictionary definition, that is, at the same time for all I care), but labels are necessary to draw a distinction between different categories of political thought.
Because facts and issues don't exist by themselves and you can't extricate the politics which nearly everyone has (including you, I'm sure) motivated by one thing or another, and labels simplify the distinction between the different types of politics that underlie and inform the facts and issues.
For example, there is a material and important difference between PUAs, TRPers, MGTOW and MRAs that makes a big difference to how each approach the issues. Roosh, Karen Straughan, Erin Pizzey, Janet Bloomfield/Paul Elam/Dan Perrins are, for example, all very different in character from one another (and only the latter, JB/PE/DP) are actually MRAs (even if Karen and Erin care about a lot of the things that MRAs care about), and unless a distinction is made, then Karen, Erin, Janet, Paul ad Dan get tarred with the shit that Roosh says. Not helpful.
They do, but it's also important for people who don't share Roosh's views to condemn them publicly. Otherwise you tacitly let our opponents claim, as I said elsewhere in this thread, that peaches and limes grow on the same tree (regardless of the truth) and therefore peaches are as sour as limes.
[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[+]StrixTechnica [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
So are you telling me that feminist intersectional theory is the same as labels for political parties, schools of thought or even labels for which sports team one might support?
No, labels for political affiliation aren't identity politics — not unless a person lets the label become their defining characteristic, at which point an attack on their politics gets interpreted as an attack on themselves, personally.
Even though that does happen, it doesn't mean that labels are the same as the specific school of political thought known as identity politics.
That'd happen, labels or no. But this isn't the same as identity politics, either.
That's tribalism, something else again.
Okay, I assume you know the difference between a) ontology, b) epistemology and c) agency and action (whether inspired by things that are true or not).
Facts are statements that are true. Facts are true regardless of human perception, but facts, by themselves, don't do anything. They are, or are not.
People do things, and people have politics more often than not. That is why politics matters and that is the entire point.
Well, yes, but most people don't/won't do this, and passivity won't change this sorry state of affairs. And even though you can teach critical thinking skills, you can't make people apply them.
Also, most people won't actively question whether a proposition is true until they hear a contradictory proposition. There are just too many things competing for attention for most people.
You sound like a fairly introspective sort of person to whom critical thinking and contemplation of what is and isn't true comes naturally. That's to be commended, but I think it's important to recognise that most of the rest of the world isn't like that — and that refusal to condemn obnoxious ideas is, in the eyes of many, at least tacit tolerance of them.
However you think things ought to be, we have to deal with the world as it is.
[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
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