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Rape? Borderline Rape? Date-rape? A bad joke? Whatever it is, it has feminists pissed off and on a witch hunt.

thetrollking

September 1, 2011

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http://stephaniestreisand.tumblr.com/post/8977155911/bingo-incase-you-missed-the-borderline-rape

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Title	Rape? Borderline Rape? Date-rape? A bad joke? Whatever it is, it has feminists pissed off and on a witch hunt.
Author	thetrollking
Upvotes	4
Comments	22
Date	September 1, 2011 9:49 AM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/k15kv/rape_borderline_rape_daterape_a_bad_joke_whatever/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/rape-borderline-rape-date-rape-a-bad-joke-whatever.1035155 https://theredarchive.com/post/1035155

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[–]VoodooIdol 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Alanna 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I have a problem calling sex that is gotten by refusing to leave a hotel room in which you are alone together, consensual, especially if you flat out tell the person that you're not leaving until you get some. I agree it may not technically be rape, since there was no actual physical force, but if you agree that the stuff before counts as sexual assault, I don't understand how you get from that to the sex was okay. Consent offered under duress is invalid. It's unclear how much actual duress was actually put on here, but since the guy refused to leave after five times being asked to leave, I don't think she had sex with him because she wanted to.

I'll be honest, this case is really challenging some of my previous ideas on what was and was not rape. What would make it rape, in your opinion?

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[–]Alanna 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Based on what I know now? Nothing, because I don't have any proof whatsoever he did anything criminal. Were the victim to come forward? I don't know, maybe she'd have something additional to add. Probably nothing concrete though.

There is absolutely no argument she could have done more to make it clear that she absolutely did not want sex and that if he wanted it, he was going to have to force it out of her. That would have pushed from this gray "persistence" area into outright rape.

There are some that say a woman shouldn't have to risk physical injury to claim rape. I agree that it makes it too easy to for anyone to say she was raped-- there should be some kind of proof beyond her word that a crime took place. But at the same time, I am not comfortable at all with a guy who goes to the point where she needs to take it to that level to make her nonconsent so clear.

Edit: I went to write out that last sentence's thought more at length here but then realized that I don't like where that logic goes. So I'll have to consider this further.

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