This is true

Demost_Amazing · 2020-05-22T11:51:26+00:00

Sounds like another epic "I'm mad that Men's issues are being recognized, give me more attention" moment.

Simultanagnosia · 2020-05-22T12:07:17+00:00

There is some truth to that. Certainly Erin Pizzey who started out focused on women's issues expanded her horizons to include men and in addition to establishing the first women's shelter in the UK she also established the first men's shelter in the UK. But she parted ways with the parenchyma of feminist thought due to the radicalization of it.

Betty Friedan, another prominent feminist, also maintained that changing the narrative on gender applied not just to women but also to the social expectations placed on men. She too distanced herself from feminism as it became more radical.

At some point the matriarchs of the feminist movement saw the progress that had been made and also observed a growing extremism that prompted them to essentially declare that the movement had reached it's peak efficacy and had evolved into something unhealthy.

I think for me what stands out is the identity-centric nature of the term "feminism" and I've always been more inclined to frame things in light of fundamental human rights, rather than a special interest group. Sometimes this can produce some absurd results like granting men the right to have an abortion but the end result is the same and doesn't have to specifically call out gender.

The Charter of Rights and Freedoms in Canada. Our version of a constitution maintains that no law shall be passed which grants or denies any right on the basis of gender. In keeping with that spirit laws should be written and institutions in place that don't having anything to do with gender. Granting men abortion rights seems absurd because men can't even get pregnant but it meets the criteria of a non-discriminatory policy and complies with the Charter. And the end result is exactly the same as if it had been legislated solely for women. This would protect any females-identifying-as-males from being denied the right as well.

I think it just makes sense these days to start to treat everyone on the basis of the same fundamental rights and it's something that apparently made sense to the founders of Canada as well. Ironically Erin Pizzey identified Canada as one of the most backwards countries in the world when it comes to gender inequality with a strong bias towards radical feminist ideology.

xxFallnAng3Lxx · 2020-05-22T11:53:55+00:00

Things more real then Toxic Masculinity...

The Tooth Fairy, Bigfoot, Flat Earth Theory and Hillary Clinton’s heterosexuality. 😂🤣

EricAllonde · 2020-05-22T12:27:59+00:00

"Women have always been the primary victims of war." ~A famous feminist.

79johnsmith · 2020-05-22T13:00:02+00:00

Feminists:

1. Pushed for the Duluth model, where male victims were more likely to be arrested than their abusers;

2. Refused to acknowledge men have issues: "Men already have all the rights", "Men are privileged, they have no problems";

3. When confronted with facts, mocked and belittled men for voicing issues: "Men did this to themselves (because Patriarchy)", "Women have it far worse, so suck it up";

4. Believe that men of the present deserve to suffer in reparation for perceived injuries done to women in the distant past: "Women used to suffer this, so now it fair that men should suffer";

5. Called for men to support men's rights under Feminism, then promptly told them to shut up and to bugger off: "If you want to fix men's problems, you'd be Feminists" <<5 seconds later>> "if you don't have a vagina, you shouldn't speak", "this is a WOMEN's movement - if you want to talk about male problems, go start your own";

6. Say they care about male victims of domestic violence, then promptly turned around and organised protests AGAINST male domestic violence shelters;

7. Misunderstand (perhaps deliberately) basic concepts of equality and economics by pushing for equality of outcome vs equality of opportunity and by promoting endless wage-gap myths;

8. Are disingenuous to the disadvantages of men in areas where women hold significant advantages (eg. the spending gap where women make up 80% of consumer spending despite supposedly earning less than men, the sentencing gap where women are less likely to be convicted of crimes and even if they are convicted of the same crime, they serve sentences which are significantly less than men for similar crimes, the suicide gap, the life-expectancy gap, the retirement gap, the taxation gap, college-education gap, workplace injury and death gap, etc);

I could go on, but its pointless (or rather, high effort, low yield, high frustration work) arguing with trolls. Please don't feed the trolls gents.

Osteo_Warrior · 2020-05-22T12:38:41+00:00

Those are not men's issues. They are simply something that a woman has told us are our issues. I have no issue with feminine men or single dads. I have issues with single dads not getting the support they need because court are so heavily biased towards single mothers and woman. I don't see feminists attempting to change that. And toxic masculinity is ridiculous and simply a blanket excuse for any behaviour or trait a man possesses which a feminist deems wrong.

If feminists really cared about men they would stop this "toxic masculinity" paradox. for instance, male suicide rates are really high compared to woman. Instead of accepting that there isn't a lot of support in society for this issue and we need to fix it, they say it's toxic masculinity and men need to stop this toxic behaviour. We arnt stupid we get that their are certain things in society that traditionally men would never do or would avoid for fear of being label "not a man" we are requesting help in fixing this. But we constantly get shot down with toxic masculinity bullshit.

I'm yet to meet a men's right activist that would deny any support for real women's issues. And yet I've never seen a single feminist actually care about real men's issues. Any that actually do renounce feminism pretty quickly once their eyes are open to it.

SplitMindPeanut · 2020-05-22T12:58:57+00:00

As a woman, I say "Ok simp"

Title	This is true
Author	lightningflashstudio
Upvotes	0
Comments	15
Date	May 22, 2020 11:41 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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