Why can't I fully support MRA/MRM

mgtowolf · 2019-11-19T03:26:17+00:00

Indoctrination is a bitch. Feminism has infested the school system bigtime since at least the 80's, they are literally molding young minds. It's only gotten worse, due to the fact that a shitload of families both parents are working a lot, and tired from working too much after work. Parents are less involved, and the schools are teaching kids most of what they "know".

EricAllonde · 2019-11-19T04:17:37+00:00

You're noticing your own gynocentrism and ingrained male disposability.

For your entire life, society has been indoctrinating you with those two beliefs:

1) Women's lives matter more than men's lives do. This also extends to: women's wishes, whims and preferences matter more than men's basic human rights.

2) Men are disposable in the service of women. If men's human rights, freedoms or even lives need to be sacrificed in order save women's lives, or even just to supply women with a want or preference... even just to make women a little more comfortable, then that must happen at once and without question.

This is not dissimilar to a form of cult indoctrination. And one thing that cults all have in common is they react very negatively to any questioning of their dogma, they apply huge pressure to conform to anyone who steps out of line or questions the narrative.

The evidence that our society cares more about women than men is all around, when you look for it. Even just the fact that every charity trying to raise money features women & children in their advertising, rarely men. The marketers know that female suffering tugs at the heartstrings and opens your wallet far more than male suffering does.

So I think your feelings are a combination of the beliefs you've been conditioned with throughout your life, combined with the pushback that society uses to keep you in line and believing the official narrative.

As you become more aware of what's happening, you'll be able to see this societal conditioning in action and consciously choose whether you want to accept it or not. Good luck.

jimmi-jones · 2019-11-19T05:57:33+00:00

Men are entitled to the same rights as women they are called human rights.

A fundamental condition to the application of human rights is they be afforded without prejudice including gender.

The expectation of rights specific to gender goes against the concept of human rights this being the error made by our societies.

If a right cannot be extended regardless of gender it is not a right worthy of support in my humble opinion.

perplexedm · 2019-11-19T04:00:59+00:00

You're sexist, that's why.

Gimpy1405 · 2019-11-19T04:01:27+00:00

It's fine. You'll sort out what seems right to you. Keep as open a mind as you are able and whatever you find will be good for you.

Mackowatosc · 2019-11-19T11:00:00+00:00

I always lean towards feminism

then why are you here, even?

2019-11-19T19:43:25+00:00

There are some good answers here, but I don't seen anyone really addressing why this mentality originated in the first place. The Greeks and Romans, along with most other cultures on earth, did not have this strange idealization of women unique to medieval Europe. Greece and Rome, for one example, considered the male body to be the aesthetic ideal, and this is why bisexuality was as tolerated among men back then as bisexuality is tolerated today among women. Women in Greece and Rome were much more likely to be heterosexual, and the celebrated subject of art was almost always the male body instead of the female.

After the collapse of the Roman Empire, the main source of stability and hope in the entire continent was the Vatican. And Catholicism, which developed ultimately into a cult of the virgin Mary, became the source of the idea of the "sacred feminine" and the disposable male. This seems to have its own origins in the culture of the Goths, the Alemanni, and various other barbarian tribes which the Romans described as extremely courageous, dim-witted, and having no fear of death.

During the Dark Ages, people like Petrarch and Eleanor of Aquitaine took these ideas to new extremes. Eleanor of Aquitaine promoted the idea of "courtly love" which included ideas such as that love can only occur outside of marriage, that love should never be confessed, and that men should die for the woman they love even if she doesn't know he exists. Love became one-way instead of two-way. "De Amore" by Andreas Capellanus is a masterpiece of cuckold BDSM literature, except it was written as a guide for how society should actually be. And, it was taken seriously. By the time of Dante society actually became this way, and Dante's divine guide through paradise was a real woman named Beatrice, who he met only twice in his life. Petrarch's poetry describes Laura (a girl he stalked for three years, yet never met him) as a divine creature that his life depends on, and was among the best-selling literature in Medieval Europe. Obsessing over women who don't know you exist actually became the norm.

Around the time of Petrarch we also started reading about Greece and Rome again, and we ended up becoming the descendants of the barbarian, venus-figure-worshiping fruitcakes with just enough Greco-Roman culture to pick up where they left off. The Greeks already designed the first steam engine around 50 AD so it wasn't too difficult to design a second one in 1629.

That's why Dark Ages culture became commonplace, and why you were programmed to think women are sacred and men are animals today.

Title	Why can't I fully support MRA/MRM
Author	SmaneBane
Upvotes	7
Comments	18
Date	November 19, 2019 3:14 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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